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[GostHacked]

The point is that no one has ever shown that voter fraud has ever been an issue.

Actually voter fraud has been brought up in the 2004 Elections with Bush, and even Obama's first and second term had some voter fraud controversy. There were many concerns about the Diebold voting machines and the alleged hacking.

[Argus]

Actually voter fraud has been brought up in the 2004 Elections with Bush, and even Obama's first and second term had some voter fraud controversy. There were many concerns about the Diebold voting machines and the alleged hacking.

Yes, but not about individuals voting when they shouldn't be because of a lack of ID.

[Argus]

I already linked to a story involving a black woman voting for Obama 5 times in the last election.

Are you saying that because a single black woman voted for Obama five times Republican governors in dozens of states have instituted highly expensive voter ID laws?

Really?

[Argus]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

You are writing as someone quite familiar with life in slums. I have to assume you have spent a lot of time there, right? You know about the people there, and how difficult or easy it is to get documents, you know about the lifestyle and culture (ha!) and how being required to go somewhere to apply for government ID would never dissuade them from voting. Right?

[Argus]

Does driving through Windsor count ?

So you actually have no idea whatsoever what government services are available to people in the inner cities, or to other high poverty areas. You're simply defending efforts to stop nEgros from voting.

Edited June 28, 2013 by Argus

[bush_cheney2004]

So you actually have no idea whatsoever what government services are available to people in the inner cities, or to other high poverty areas.

A lot more than you will ever know...or even pretend to know from Canada. My "slums" are "slummier" than your "slums", but with better weather !

Edited June 28, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

It should. Or Sarnia. Also, Hamilton might count as well. It's a toss up.

I'm guessing you've spent about as much time in Windsor as you have in the US, which is, basically none.

[Guest American Woman]

You are writing as someone quite familiar with life in slums. I have to assume you have spent a lot of time there, right? You know about the people there, and how difficult or easy it is to get documents, you know about the lifestyle and culture (ha!) and how being required to go somewhere to apply for government ID would never dissuade them from voting. Right?

I know that people who live in the "slums" manage to apply for government assistance, and I know that there's a lot more paper work to be filled out for welfare benefits than for a government ID. I also know that an ID is required for government assistance/welfare, so apparently getting an ID is doable. I also know that many people who live in the "slums" have a driver's license. So again, getting an ID is not prohibitive because one lives in the "slums." I also know that people who live in the "slums" are issued birth certificates and social security numbers same as those who live in Beverly Hills. Generally speaking, that's all that's required as proof of identity.

[Argus]

I know that people who live in the "slums" manage to apply for government assistance, and I know that there's a lot more paper work to be filled out for welfare benefits than for a government ID. I also know that an ID is required for government assistance/welfare, so apparently getting an ID is doable. I also know that many people who live in the "slums" have a driver's license. So again, getting an ID is not prohibitive because one lives in the "slums." I also know that people who live in the "slums" are issued birth certificates and social security numbers same as those who live in Beverly Hills. Generally speaking, that's all that's required as proof of identity.

Boy, you know so little about the United States. Maybe you should visit it once or twice. Oh wait, you actually LIVE there... supposedly, and are an expert on every aspect of life there! How odd!

Was the Voter ID legislation created to disenfranchise millions of low income and minority voters? According to research, more than 21 million US citizens do not have government issued ID. Eighteen percent of senior citizens have no current government issued ID. Twenty-five percent of voting age blacks have no current ID.

It is clear to me the Voter Id laws are intended to make it harder for poor people and minorities to vote. The Republicans are a party of the rich and elites, so want to stop anyone else from voting however they can.

http://beforeitsnews.com/election-2012/2012/02/21-percent-of-americans-have-no-government-issued-id-25-percent-elderly-blacks-have-no-id-1828156.html

[bush_cheney2004]

Boy, you know so little about the United States.

This is rich.....another lecture from Canada via Google.

[Guest American Woman]

Boy, you know so little about the United States. Maybe you should visit it once or twice. Oh wait, you actually LIVE there... supposedly, and are an expert on every aspect of life there! How odd!

Was the Voter ID legislation created to disenfranchise millions of low income and minority voters? According to research, more than 21 million US citizens do not have government issued ID. Eighteen percent of senior citizens have no current government issued ID. Twenty-five percent of voting age blacks have no current ID.

Just because they don't have government issued IDs doesn't mean getting them is prohibitive or impossibly difficult.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just because they don't have government issued IDs doesn't mean getting them is prohibitive or impossibly difficult.

Not difficult at all based on the amount of trafficking in fake photo id's !!

[Guest American Woman]

Not difficult at all based on the amount of trafficking in fake photo id's !!

People usually manage to obtain what's important to them.

[Argus]

People usually manage to obtain what's important to them.

There is no question, none whatsoever, that this big, nationwide move for ID cards, all of it coming from the Republican right, particularly since the election, is designed to make it more difficult for specific groups which traditionally vote Democrat to vote. The more difficult you make it, the fewer of them will vote. It's pointless to point out they CAN get government ID. It is a known fact many won't. And that is the point. The Republicans are trying to disenfranchise poor people in particular.

And neither of you is the least bit concerned with that.

You remind me of a guy who said Americans love freedom. And I said, well, they love their own freedom anyway. They'll fight to the death for their own free speech, and their right to do pretty much as they want. But they're not much concerned about the rights of their neighbors, especially the neighbors who aren't just like them. In fact, they're often quite determined to quash their neighbors freedoms if they don't like what they're doing or what they have to say.

You two are a textbook example of that.

[Argus]

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Edited June 29, 2013 by Argus

[Guest American Woman]

There is no question, none whatsoever, that this big, nationwide move for ID cards, all of it coming from the Republican right, particularly since the election, is designed to make it more difficult for specific groups which traditionally vote Democrat to vote. The more difficult you make it, the fewer of them will vote. It's pointless to point out they CAN get government ID. It is a known fact many won't. And that is the point. The Republicans are trying to disenfranchise poor people in particular.

There may be no question to you and like minded people, but my belief that voters should present a valid ID has nothing to do with trying to prevent people from voting - and along that line of thought, I've simply pointed out that getting a government ID is not un-doable. I honestly think that if one must show a picture ID to purchase cigarettes, and anyone who wants a cigarette badly enough will manage to get an ID, it's not too much to ask that one present a valid ID for the privilege of voting. It's not cost prohibitive. It's not un-doable. It's no more daunting than applying for government assistance or social security benefits.

And neither of you is the least bit concerned with that.

It's not your place to claim what I am, or am not, concerned about - based on your views. My concern is preventing voter fraud. That's why I think a valid ID should be presented upon voting.

You remind me of a guy who said Americans love freedom. And I said, well, they love their own freedom anyway. They'll fight to the death for their own free speech, and their right to do pretty much as they want. But they're not much concerned about the rights of their neighbors, especially the neighbors who aren't just like them. In fact, they're often quite determined to quash their neighbors freedoms if they don't like what they're doing or what they have to say.

You two are a textbook example of that.

This shows a complete lack of understanding of both me and my views. Edited June 29, 2013 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

I've simply pointed out that getting a government ID is not un-doable.

Well, thanks for that insight.

[The_Squid]

There is no question, none whatsoever, that this big, nationwide move for ID cards, all of it coming from the Republican right, particularly since the election, is designed to make it more difficult for specific groups which traditionally vote Democrat to vote. The more difficult you make it, the fewer of them will vote. It's pointless to point out they CAN get government ID. It is a known fact many won't. And that is the point. The Republicans are trying to disenfranchise poor people in particular.And neither of you is the least bit concerned with that.You remind me of a guy who said Americans love freedom. And I said, well, they love their own freedom anyway. They'll fight to the death for their own free speech, and their right to do pretty much as they want. But they're not much concerned about the rights of their neighbors, especially the neighbors who aren't just like them. In fact, they're often quite determined to quash their neighbors freedoms if they don't like what they're doing or what they have to say.You two are a textbook example of that.

Very well said.

[Guest American Woman]

Very well said.

This shows a complete lack of understanding of both me and my views.

[bush_cheney2004]

You two are a textbook example of that.

If you mean we are "textbook examples" of Americans, with experience in voting in the U.S., and that you very much are are not, I agree. As for fighting for freedom, the first "neighbours" to deal with lived in Canada.

[Bryan]

There is no question, none whatsoever, that this big, nationwide move for ID cards, all of it coming from the Republican right, particularly since the election, is designed to make it more difficult for specific groups which traditionally vote Democrat to vote.

What's your evidence that it has anything whatsoever to do with not allowing people who are legally entitled to vote, to do so?

One could easily turn that phrase around and say: there's no question, none whatsoever, that the opposition to ID cards, all of it coming from the left, is designed to make it easier for people who are not eligible to vote to cast ballot(s) anyway.

[Shady]

Boy, you know so little about the United States. Maybe you should visit it once or twice. Oh wait, you actually LIVE there... supposedly, and are an expert on every aspect of life there! How odd!

Was the Voter ID legislation created to disenfranchise millions of low income and minority voters? According to research, more than 21 million US citizens do not have government issued ID. Eighteen percent of senior citizens have no current government issued ID. Twenty-five percent of voting age blacks have no current ID.

It is clear to me the Voter Id laws are intended to make it harder for poor people and minorities to vote. The Republicans are a party of the rich and elites, so want to stop anyone else from voting however they can.

http://beforeitsnews.com/election-2012/2012/02/21-percent-of-americans-have-no-government-issued-id-25-percent-elderly-blacks-have-no-id-1828156.html

That's a great propaganda a piece from a civil rights "activist." Some of my other favourite headlines from your "news" story. "Obama's African Assassination Vacation Exposed". "Video: Glowing Angel or Alien Caught On Trail Camera?". "Was the Baghdad Battery Ancient Technology?".

Try actually citing real news organizations dude. You're making a complete fool of yourself.

It's just the usual race-baiting from the usual suspects of the forum. Imagine wanting to make sure that somebody that says they're voting is actually the person they say that are? OMG, what a concept! It sounds like common sense, at least to normal thinking people. Except for red-tory, big government, Canadian pseduo-superiority types. That can't seem to grasp the concept that anyone can walk into a poll station, and say they're anybody, and vote, regardless of whether they're actually that person, or even legally allowed to vote. Anyone wishing to introduce some safeguards into the system is deemed a racist, because actually discussing the complicated details of the topic takes intelligence, and knowledge of the subject.

[Shady]

Btw, anyone insisting on needing photo ID to rent a hotel room, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, board an airplane, sign a lease, and apply for a passport is a complete and utter racist. We must change all of these racist laws to make our society much less racist. Because not doing so, just fosters more racism. And anyone disagreeing with me is a racism-loving racist.

[dre]

Btw, anyone insisting on needing photo ID to rent a hotel room, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, board an airplane, sign a lease, and apply for a passport is a complete and utter racist. We must change all of these racist laws to make our society much less racist. Because not doing so, just fosters more racism. And anyone disagreeing with me is a racism-loving racist.

This isnt even discussion at this point. Its more like an angry two year old eating his own feces and smearing the rest on the walls.

[Argus]

There may be no question to you and like minded people,

You mean people with at least a smidgen of sophistication and intelligence? THOSE kind of people?

Because it's blatantly obvious.

but my belief that voters should present a valid ID has nothing to do with trying to prevent people from voting

Then your belief is based on ignorance given there's no evidence whatsoever that any election has EVER been influenced by people voting illegally in this manner. You don't create laws which will cost money to implement without some evidence they're needed.

It's not un-doable. It's no more daunting than applying for government assistance or social security benefits.

No, and it's doable to wait three or four or five hours in line to vote, too. Even ten hours! But of course, as is known, if that's the wait time, an awful lot of people are going to drift off and say 'forget it'. It's also doable to drive forty or fifty miles to vote. It's doable to require people pass a lengthy test to vote. It's doable to make people where tuxedos and party dresses to vote. All this is doable. But we know that it will discourage voting, and it's not necessary.

So if you do choose to make people travel a long distance and wait in a long line, you're probably trying to discourage people from voting.

It's not your place to claim what I am, or am not, concerned about - based on your views.

On the contrary, I can make that claim based on your statement. You CLEARLY don't give a damn if this discourages a lot of poor people from voting.