dre Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Again I've said I support decriminalization or legalization. BUT this whole alcohol and tobacco are worse argument is silly, people need to get off that talking point. I dont think its silly to expect our government to have a rational, and proportional approach to controlling substances. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
hitops Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Again I've said I support decriminalization or legalization. BUT this whole alcohol and tobacco are worse argument is silly, people need to get off that talking point. As a physician I think that argument is completely coherent and supportable by the evidence in every sense. The cost to society and the healthcare system from marijuana is not even on the radar compared to the cost for smoking and alcohol. Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 As a physician I think that argument is completely coherent and supportable by the evidence in every sense. The cost to society and the healthcare system from marijuana is not even on the radar compared to the cost for smoking and alcohol. It's not on the radar because far fewer people are chronic users of the drug. Because cannabis is illegal there aren't generations of people that are users. Many people can casually use alcohol and tobacco with very little social impact. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Again I've said I support decriminalization or legalization. BUT this whole alcohol and tobacco are worse argument is silly, people need to get off that talking point. It's a good talking point in my view. Many who oppose weed are totally fine with alcohol and prescription drugs. Weed is commonly put out as a gateway drug. Well so is alcohol, throw tobacco in there as well. Such an inconsistent approach will garner questions. If one sides uses it, don't complain when the other side uses it to completely negate the talking point. Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) The arguments to support legalization are the same as removing prohibition of alcohol back in the 30's. Most people can and do consume the product responsibly and you're creating criminals from participating in a rather benign activity. The risks associated with tobacco and alcohol are irrelevant. Except for the fact you consume both those drugs in low doses without an extreme high, not so with cannabis. Edited June 20, 2013 by Boges Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Except for the fact you consume both those drugs in low doses without an extreme high, not so with cannabis.I call BS. Cite? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 I call BS. Cite? Who smokes pot because it tastes good? you're looking for a high. 3 people can get a high sharing a pipe with a little budd of weed. It's a pretty potent drug. Quote
G Huxley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 As a physician I think that argument is completely coherent and supportable by the evidence in every sense. The cost to society and the healthcare system from marijuana is not even on the radar compared to the cost for smoking and alcohol. Well put. Quote
G Huxley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 The risks associated with tobacco and alcohol are irrelevant. Except for the fact you consume both those drugs in low doses without an extreme high, not so with cannabis. Anybody who calls cannabis an 'extreme high,' has never smoked cannabis. Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Anybody who calls cannabis an 'extreme high,' has never smoked cannabis. I guess "extreme" is a subjective term. How would you describe the high? Edited June 20, 2013 by Boges Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 I guess "extreme" is a subjective term. How would you describe the high?It ranges from barely noticeable to barely conscious, depending upon how much you ingest. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 It ranges from barely noticeable to barely conscious, depending upon how much you ingest. I would classify "barely conscious" as extreme, others might not. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) I would classify "barely conscious" as extreme, others might not.Right. And that's after a high dose. You were trying to say that consuming cannibis in low doses produces an extreme high, which is total BS. Edited June 20, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
guyser Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Right. And that's after a high dose. You were trying to say that consuming cannibis in low doses produces an extreme high, which is total BS. Well....sort of can happen. Some shit is that way.....much like 190proof booze. One shot of that and a buzz is had. Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Right. And that's after a high dose. You were trying to say that consuming cannibis in low doses produces an extreme high, which is total BS. Well what's a really low dose? A few puffs? a bud? a joint? With alcohol they have a set standard for consumption. 12 oz of beer, 1 oz of 40% liqour, or 5 oz of wine equal a serving or "drink". Most can operate a vehicle with one or two drinks using that standard. Is there a similar standard with cannabis? Edited June 20, 2013 by Boges Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Well what's a really low dose? A few puffs? a bud? a joint?You can start with a few granules and work your way up, but a few granules would be mild and hardly noticeable. A joint would be a lot. A whole bud would be a very high dose. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 You can start with a few granules and work your way up, but a few granules would be mild and hardly noticeable. A joint would be a lot. A whole bud would be a very high dose. I don't know why you'd even bother with a few granules unless you were looking for some low level pain relief. But juxtapose that to tobacco where I can smoke a churchill cigar over the course of an hour and achieve a buzz that lasts maybe a half hour. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 I don't know why you'd even bother with a few granules unless you were looking for some low level pain relief.Some seek a remedy to the chronic boredom of everyday life while still being fully functional. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
guyser Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Well what's a really low dose? A few puffs? a bud? a joint? With alcohol they have a set standard for consumption. 12 oz of beer, 1 oz of 40% liqour, or 5 oz of wine equal a serving or "drink". Most can operate a vehicle with one or two drinks using that standard. Is there a similar standard with cannabis? Not that I am aware of. Mary Jane does not share the metabolic rates that alcohol do. Have a drink and X amount is metabolized in one hour. , Test after that and you could be zero BAC Smoke some tonight and tomorrow afternoon, hell Sunday afternoon and you could test positive. Thats why there is no reliable test for impairment from weed while driving. Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Not that I am aware of. Mary Jane does not share the metabolic rates that alcohol do. Have a drink and X amount is metabolized in one hour. , Test after that and you could be zero BAC Smoke some tonight and tomorrow afternoon, hell Sunday afternoon and you could test positive. Thats why there is no reliable test for impairment from weed while driving. Which is something that needs to be addressed. It'll be interesting to see how the states in the US that legalized cannabis will handle regulating people driving while high. Quote
guyser Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Which is something that needs to be addressed. It'll be interesting to see how the states in the US that legalized cannabis will handle regulating people driving while high. Driving high means - impaired driving. You can get that charge from driving with Neo-Citran (the doozy stuff) Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 Driving high means - impaired driving. You can get that charge from driving with Neo-Citran (the doozy stuff) After having a Neo-Citran I don't usually drive, I go to bed. You shouldn't be driving under heavy influence of anything, but people do it. If you're taking a drug for a medical purpose I'd argue, you're more likely to follow the instructions of use. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 It'll be interesting to see how the states in the US that legalized cannabis will handle regulating people driving while high.Why would it be any different than it already is? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
guyser Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 After having a Neo-Citran I don't usually drive, I go to bed. You shouldn't be driving under heavy influence of anything, but people do it. If you're taking a drug for a medical purpose I'd argue, you're more likely to follow the instructions of use. True, but the broader point I forgot to include.....you can be charged the same if you are merely tired....no drugs nor booze in the system. Quote
Boges Posted June 20, 2013 Report Posted June 20, 2013 You could argue driving tired is worse than driving drunk. The sad part is that many people are compelled to drive tired by employers. I've driven while on the brink of nodding off, it's rather terrifying actually. Quote
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