Mass Palestinian grave found in Tel Aviv

[Hudson Jones]

This is how the state of Israel was built--on the mass grave of Palestinians:

Skeletal remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis during 1948 have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv

The remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis in fighting during the war of 1948 which led to the creation of the state of Israel have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv's Jaffa district.

An official at the Muslim cemetery there told AFP news agency that the grisly find occurred on Wednesday when ground subsided as workers carried out renovations, revealing six chambers full of skeletons. Jaffa fisherman Atar Zeinab, 80, says that as a teenager during the final months of fighting in 1948, he helped to collect the Arab dead in the area south of Jaffa and bring them for hasty burial in the cemetery, the area's main graveyard.

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[Guest American Woman]

Tragically, they were victims of war. A war Israel didn't start.

In case you need reminding:

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. http://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/ArabIsraeliWar

But do blame Israel for that.

[Hudson Jones]

Tragically, that's how Nazis and their supporters try to justify the killing of innocent civilians they did not need to kill.

[Guest American Woman]

Tragically, that's how Nazis and their supporters try to justify the killing of innocent civilians they did not need to kill.

Oh, please. If you are going to compare war deaths due to a war started by the other guy because they refused to accept Israel to the deliberate, intentional killing of the Jews et al by the Nazis, in a war they themselves started, don't expect others to see it your way. Civilians die in war. It's tragic. But that's the way of it. In every war. In this case, the Arab countries started it. As you blame Israel.

[Moonlight Graham]

Each side, and those that rigidly support them, thinks they are the victim in this conflict, yet often neither takes responsibility for their own wrong actions. THAT is key reason this conflict has continued for over a century with no end in sight. End the blame game, grow up & act like civilized adults, empathize & forgive & love, get a deal done, and then accept it.

Easier said than done...because of people who think like Hudson Jones.

[Hudson Jones]

Each side, and those that rigidly support them, thinks they are the victim in this conflict, yet often neither takes responsibility for their own wrong actions. THAT is key reason this conflict has continued for over a century with no end in sight. End the blame game, grow up & act like civilized adults, empathize & forgive & love, get a deal done, and then accept it.

Easier said than done...because of people who think like Hudson Jones.

Spare me the 50/50, pathetic fence sitting bull crap to try to make yourself look like some kind of a hero.

You want to feel like a man? Then, first, learn about the history of the region by getting through the whitewashing, the lies and the distortions presented by the Zionists, then, without shame, admit the truth.

What has happened in the region is a simple case of colonialism. What has followed is despair, desperation and more injustice.

[GostHacked]

Tragically, they were victims of war. A war Israel didn't start.

In case you need reminding:

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. http://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/ArabIsraeliWar

But do blame Israel for that.

So now that Palestine is legitimatley recognized, why won't Israel make a complete withdrawal from those territories?

I always hear it is to maintain peace, but really, how is that all working out for either of them?

For your above, to me it's like well Israel did not exist yesterday, but it exists today because they so and they will fight anyone who says otherwise. The reversal of that seems to be equated to anti-semitism. Palestine asserting their legality and international recognition is now something Israel has to deal with properly.

[PIK]

Spare me the 50/50, pathetic fence sitting bull crap to try to make yourself look like some kind of a hero.

You want to feel like a man? Then, first, learn about the history of the region by getting through the whitewashing, the lies and the distortions presented by the Zionists, then, without shame, admit the truth.

What has happened in the region is a simple case of colonialism. What has followed is despair, desperation and more injustice.

Read what you just posted and follow it. Did you know that canada has been training palastian police and military? And one more thing, years back they found mass graves full of jews in germany poland and other places., alot more that what was found there.

Edited June 3, 2013 by PIK

[Hudson Jones]

And one more thing, years back they found mass graves full of jews in germany poland and other places., alot more that what was found there.

Okay? And? What's your point?

[Guest Peeves]

Each side, and those that rigidly support them, thinks they are the victim in this conflict, yet often neither takes responsibility for their own wrong actions. THAT is key reason this conflict has continued for over a century with no end in sight. End the blame game, grow up & act like civilized adults, empathize & forgive & love, get a deal done, and then accept it.

Easier said than done...because of people who think like Hudson Jones.

Hmmm,

You might make a point, however I have indeed read where Israeli military or civilians -Jews have been charged and convicted of crimes against Arabs, and, I have read where bad mistakes have happened and Israeli Jews have acknowledged the error. I do not recall Hamas-Fatah-Hezbollah or Israeli Arabs admitting any offense, do you?

BTW

Which conflict has continued for over a century? Perhaps the sectarian one between Shia and Sunni? That's gone on for the entirety of the political/Islamic existence pretty much following Mohamed's death. Jews-Israelis nor I had anything to do with those atrocities and blood baths continuing to this day.

Actually since Israel was declared a state and was immediately attacked by several Arab nations resulting in a war of independence, why would any be surprised at finding graves?

That would be the reasonable expectation following an attack by ARAB enemy aircraft etc.

When I get news from biased sources al Jazeera etc.I expect a slant and there usually is one, like ignoring the victim, Jews from the same invasion. Jews didn't start the war, they simply defended their new official homeland...and always will. That will indeed lead to Arab deaths, after all it's the Arab countries-people that attack Jews with missiles and bombs historically, not the other way around.

Should there be no response from those attacked?

Jews were killed by invading Arab armies in May 1948 as the facts seem to support do they not? Jews won. Jews suffered deaths but fought back against invading Arab armies in a war for independence and won. There were bodies on both sides. If you invade a country expect casualties and graves..

Revisionist history doesn't trump facts.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Peeves

[Hudson Jones]

The Arabs living in what is now Israel were not the invading armies. They were civilians who were driven out and killed by the Israeli military and Jewish terrorist groups. Pushing the Arabs out was ethnic cleansing. There is ample evidence of this; A lot of the evidence comes from testimony from the Jews who were involved in this ethnic cleansing.

Learn a little bit about the Nakba:

[Guest Peeves]

Spare me the 50/50, pathetic fence sitting bull crap to try to make yourself look like some kind of a hero.

You want to feel like a man? Then, first, learn about the history of the region by getting through the whitewashing, the lies and the distortions presented by the Zionists, then, without shame, admit the truth.

What has happened in the region is a simple case of colonialism. What has followed is despair, desperation and more injustice.

Hmm learn the history? Who's history? Yours is pure uh...agitprop. Revisionist, biased, slanted, and with an agenda. sez I.

Admittedly not everythngcoming from Iraeli leaders, Knesset is without an agenda. Survival tends to formulate rather self serving positions. Sometimes even unfair positions or decisions.

Still You encourage a good laugh from the cheap seats with your lugubrious charge of colonialism or expansionism.

Lands in contention are occupied as a result of war. (Israel historically inhabited those lands coincidentally.)

Consider them bargaining chips.

Experience would suggestr Israel might just be cautious when dealing back land captured.

Israel, ratherv than expanding has movedback from previously held/controlled land.

Israel 'gave back' the Sinai an area larger than Israel, to Egypt.

Israel vacated the (developed )Gaza only to sustain continued attack fromArabs there.

Israel vacated Lebanon (actually it turnedout, to Syria) only to be attacked from there.

Now since Israel a tiny teeny itty bitty DEMOCRATIC country of Jews and Arab and Christian citizens could fit easilly into a Great Lake of Canada, is surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic nations, it behooves itself to act strategically, which may not make those as you happy, it is their choice to survive,not experiance another holocaust aka Shoa.

Note map with Iran -Turkey yet not added.

So thanks for the laugh and I expect further guffahs to follow. You see, I've followed Israel's existence since May 1948 and before that, the events in motion thatcreated a Jewish state and offered an Arab Palestine.

The Arabs were sold a bill of goods that day they attacked, The Arab armies that would attack said Israel would be destroyed. Some as Iran are still sying that, but those in denial think Israel should lie down and die.

Never again. If Israel goes it will have lots of company.

Pardon any typos, my spell check seems to have deserted me.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Peeves

[Hudson Jones]

Hmm learn the history? Who's history? Yours is pure uh...agitprop. Revisionist, biased, slanted, and with an agenda.

Don't need to take my word for it. Take it from this Jewish man who was there. Take it from Jewish Israeli historians such as Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé. It's all documented. I don't know why you're trying to deny facts. You're starting to act like a holocaust denier:

Learn a little bit about the Nakba:

Edited June 5, 2013 by Hudson Jones

[jbg]

This is how the state of Israel was built--on the mass grave of Palestinians:

Skeletal remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis during 1948 have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv

The remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis in fighting during the war of 1948 which led to the creation of the state of Israel have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv's Jaffa district.

Was Israel not to fight back when attacked from all sides by its friendly neighbors? Oh, they were just seeking a two-state solution I guess </sarcasm>

[Rue]

Is anyone surprised the forum contributor referred to as "Hudson Jones" issued yet another inflammatory thread to incite anti-Israel sentiment and repeats classic propaganda from Hamas?

Is it hard for anyone to notice the repetitive cycle of "Hudson Jones" threads and their content?

The attempt to revise history is classical.

For anyone to suggest the Jews who ended up in Palestine were colonialists is laughable. They in fact were seeking refuge from the very colonialists "Hudson Jones" claims they are.

It was in fact the Arab regimes who were puppet governments of colonialists and its precisely why before the war of independence, Stalin sided with the Jews and sent over 150,000 of them to Israel and allowed Czechoslovakia to train and sent left over WW2 arms to them.

Stalin saw the Jews as anti-colonialists fighting colonialists.

This revisionism is laughable. Egypt, Syria, and Iraq were Nazi puppet states during and after WW2. They were run by ex Nazis.

Now let's get to some more of this pathetic revisionism.

The Arab League of armies were not Palestinians. In fact they did not start the war for Palestinians. The term "Palestinian" as "Hudson Jones" used it was not even used by these armies.

No these armies were not Palestinians. What a bold faced misrepresentation.

In fact, Gamel Abnel Nasser the leader of the largest populated Arab country that led the war against the Jews of Palestinian openly ridiculed Palestinians. He set up the Gaza Strip as a prison to contain Palestinians so they would not come into Egypt.

Jordan in fact claimed to be the Palestinian state and it offered law of return to anyone calling themselves Palestinian. To this day its national emblem refers to it as a Palestinian state. It was and remains a Jew free state where Jews can not be citizens of Jordan. In fact Jordan was created by taking 80% of land mandated for a Jewish state and arbitrarily excluding it from Jews and setting it up as a Palestinian state by Winston Churchill.

"Hudson Jones" of course can try revise history to pretend Jordan was always there but it never was. Neither was Iraq. They were colonies, like Lebanon, Syria, and Saudi Arabia created by the British and French and controlled by those 2 and Nazi Germany as all three tried to control the oil in that area of the world. The Soviets then got involved siding first with the Jews thinking they would be able to create a Jewish communist state that would counter the colonial puppet Arab states. Then Stalin realizing he could not control the Jews switched to the Arab side.

France did the same thing. It created Israel's post office, government, and its first nuclear plant, then DeGaulle openly stated they would make more money with Arab states then just Israel and switched. Then again Pepsi Cola did the same thing.It agreed not to sell Pepsi in Israel since the Arab world said you sell Pepsi in Israel you don't sell it in our country. Coca Cola on the other hand still sells Coke in Israel and told the Arab world to stuff itself.

Interestingly Cadbury Schweppes sells in Arab states and Israel.

Now then to suggest the Arab League of Armies that invaded Palestinian to rid it of Jews was Palestinian is hilarious.

So is quoting the Al Jazeera story that has inflated the number of displaced Palestinians from the war.

What "Hudson Jones" is well aware of is that there are also bones of as many Jews as their are Palestinians in Israel. The selectivity as to who died in that war is typical.

To refer to Israel as a Nazi regime as he has done and suggest he can exploit the skeletal remains of Palestinians to incite anti Israel hatred on this board while stating no one should give a thought to the 6 million Jewish bones in Europe or the thousands of Jewish bones in Israel speaks for itself.

The attempt to select only those portions of history "Hudson Jones" chooses, to suggest they are the only relevant ones, speaks for itself.

Now as for Moonlight Graham. It is easy to preach to both these sides a righteous tone of patronization. Here is the point.

Christians have no monopoly on lecturing Jews or Muslims about the Middle East. Probably Mr. Graham if you look hard enough you will find your own ancestors involved in creating the skeletal remains of others. None of us is descended from purely peaceful people.

The savagery of humanity and our primate behaviour of engaging in pack wars should not surprise you.

Please though do not lecture me on showing understanding to this propaganda agent. I do spend my time with Palestinians, Muslims, Arabs and people of all kinds, promoting peaceful tolerance but please do not lecture me that the propaganda agent behind the "Hudson Jones" name is worthy of tolerance and think you can lecture it.

It represents rigid extremist views that cling to the notion that Israel and Jordan will be retaken and turned into a Muslim caliphate. Rather than lecture on tolerance,how about you ask Hudson Jones directly who it is and why it uses the name"Hudson Jones" and what its real mandate is.

How about I tell you. Its a mandate where it has men walk into villages and forcefully recruit boys as young as 7 and indoctrinates them into seeing any Jew as a cancer to wipe out. It teaches its recruits that anything to do with Western values is weak and sick and needs to be violently removed from the planet. It on the one hand preaches about the evils of sexuality and how women must be segregated from men to prevent impure thoughts but on the other hand thinks nothing of engaging in sodomy with its young recruits and keeping it hush hush.

It preaches of the evils of Western values but has no problem using the child sex industry, prostitution and the production and sale of heroin, hash hish and other illegal drugs to fund its purchasing of weapons.

See Hudson Jones will not discuss how La Deuxieume Bureau, France's security service in return for protecting Arafat's rug caravans of hash and heroin to Marseilles France and on to New York, used him to secure all kinds of contracts it would not have otherwise received. He won't talk of how German,French and British governments sold lethal chemicals to Iraq, Iran. He won't talk of how China and The Soviets control the Arab world through puppet governments they control through bribery.

What he will do is focus in spreading hatred against Israel and the U.S. He will reduce the entire history of the Middle East to misrepresented stories of colonial Jews persecuting Palestinians.

He won't discuss how in fact the actual Palestinians he is talking about were displaced not by Jews, but other fellow Arabs who flooded the area and pushed them all out when Churchill deliberately created a scheme to try guarantee Jews could not form a majority of the population.

He won't talk of how Iraq and Jordan were created as puppet states so the two sons of Faisal could be rewarded for their father's support in WW1 againt the Ottoman Empire. He won't talk of Saudi Arabia being a puppet regime set up by the British or the colonialist states of Syria and Lebanon.

He certainly won't talk about where he gets his propaganda revisionist script from which was actually drafted by Joseph Goebels the Nazi Propoganda Minister for the Syrian Ministry of Communications. He won't discuss how the KGB later readapted it for that same Ministry of Communications and how "Hudson Jones" continues to read from this recvisionist script as he sits in a row with others looking dumb faced into screens typing out this nonsense for all kinds of forums.

Ask him? Ask him how the Syrian government, Hamas and Iran pump thousands of these revisionist diatribes over the air daily. Just ask him.

One last thing-see I know many "Hudson Jones". Many. What I know is without a mask, they are petrified to show their face. Courage is easy when you hide behind a mask I suppose.

Courage is easy when you use a child to fight your wars or a pregnant woman or someone with down's syndrome to smuggle your weapons.

Courage comes from quoting Bennie Morris someone who is no historian and is rejected by the academic world precisely because he made a mockery of history.What Bennie Morris did is what "Hudson Jones" would love to pass off as credible. He removes events from their actual context and sequence, isolates them, and gives them new editorialized meanings.

In fact Bennie Morris got caught so many times plagerizing, misquoting and removing events from their actual context it became laughable only not to propaganda agents like "Hudson Jones" that depend on people being ignorant of history not knowing what this man has done.

Interestingly this same Bennie Morris now has apologized and distanced himself from his past works and admitted their inaccuracies. But don'ttell "Hudson Hones" that. It wouldn't fit in with his script that needs to be updated to find another anti Israel Jew to quote.

Lol.

[Hudson Jones]

It's tough for many Jews to accept the atrocities committed by their ruthless, colonialist fathers and mothers. Especially with the heavy self-denial and the force in which this campaign of self-denial has overtaken the culture. Self-denial has been embedded into the Israeli/Jewish culture. It goes on today. The continuing of the occupation for over 45 years aside, the Gaza attack is a good example in how ill the Zionist culture has become. Self-denial is the biggest problem most Jews have.

There are those who are honest about what happened. Like, for example, Amnon Newmann, which, not surprisingly, every single one of you Jews in here, who are in denial of the atrocities committed in the past and present, are pretending is not there. The man describes the systematic ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian civilians and the massacres that were committed along the way, but, again, self-denial.

Speaking of Benny Morris; After the honest and blunt historical book he wrote (where the information he uncovered through archives and interviews is not in dispute) and after he came out as a Zionist apologist in order to erase the damage his book has made, he made the following comments:

Morris said: “There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing.” He admitted that a “Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads … (and) the villages from which our convoys and our settlements were fired on.”

Like I said before; You don't have to take my word for it. Take the word of one of the Israeli historians or the Israeli soldier who was there during the ethnic cleansing. Take it from the Israeli historian who is a self-proclaimed zionist.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Hudson Jones

[DogOnPorch]

Plenty of massacres on both sides of the fence in 1948. Both sides had terrorist elements. The big difference was that Jewish terrorist groups weren't condoned by the Jewish Agency in the Mandate. The Mufti, unfortunately, had plenty of experience with terror from his days working for the Ottoman Turks in Armenia and then the Nazis in the Balkans. Just another means to an end.

[DogOnPorch]

Oh, please. If you are going to compare war deaths due to a war started by the other guy because they refused to accept Israel to the deliberate, intentional killing of the Jews et al by the Nazis, in a war they themselves started, don't expect others to see it your way. Civilians die in war. It's tragic. But that's the way of it. In every war. In this case, the Arab countries started it. As you blame Israel.

Aren't all the Palestinian Arabs lonely innocent goat herders and olive farmers? That's the image that some wish to portray, it seems. Over the years/decades, the narrative seems to be attempting a shift in reality. That being that the Israelis started the 1948 War to cruelly drive Arabs from their homes. This, of course, isn't what happened. Instead, a former top Nazi working for ODESSA managed to escape the noose post WW2 only to return to his old stomping grounds to call for war against the very Jews he tried to eliminate in Europe.

[Rue]

It's tough for many Jews to accept the atrocities committed by their ruthless, colonialist fathers and mothers.

Oh look at who's now lecturing JEWS on denial. This coming from someone who calls on Israel to be wiped out

and will never acknowledge he is a supporter of terrorism against Israel. Right.

Now you quote the same Bennie Morris who has discredited the very quotes you try throw out.

Lol.

[Rue]

By the way, someone might want to tell the lecturer of Jews that Bennie Morris is not an historian. He is a political editorialist. Of course for the

"Hudson Jones" source, they could care less what the difference is. To them history is something you turn into a political script by removing bits and pieces of historic sequence and giving them new subjective meanings of the writer.

In fact even Mr.Morris stated what he did was not history and he never claimed to be an historian, just a political editorialist. The very passages this 'Hudson Jones" source is quoting were rebuked by Morris himself in letter writings.

I think the need to come on this forum and insult Jews is transparent by this "Hudson Jones" site. The fact this forum allows him to lecture Jews on self denial speaks for itself. Its the level of debate this person brings to the issue-gros generalization of Jews-personal attacks on Jews as people with perceived stereotyped negative thought patterns.

[Rue]

By the way, someone might want to tell the lecturer of Jews that Bennie Morris is not an historian. He is a political editorialist. Of course for the"Hudson Jones" source, they could care less what the difference is. To them history is something you turn into a political script by removing bits and pieces of historic sequence and giving them new subjective meanings of the writer.

In fact even Mr.Morris stated what he did was not reporting history but providing political editorial commentary on past events. The very passages this 'Hudson Jones" source is quoting were rebuked by Morris himself in later writings.

I think the need to come on this forum and insult Jews is transparent by this "Hudson Jones" site. The fact this forum allows him to lecture Jews on self denial speaks for itself. Its the level of debate this person brings to the issue-gros generalization of Jews-personal attacks on Jews as people with perceived stereotyped negative thought patterns.

Now you will note that the source referred to as "Hudson Jones" is using a script that even the Arab world has now rejected.

Interesting this source forgets the displacement of Jews from the Arab world was larger than the displacement of Arab peoples from Palestine. That he forgets. He also seems to think the armies that invaded seeking to wipe the Jews out were Palestinian o r liberating Palestinians. What A joke. The Arab league armies openly ridiculed the Palestinians and placed them in open air prisons at the end of the war they started and abandoned and refused to allow any of these people to be citizens of their countries.

Only Jordan offered automatic citizenship to all Palestinians as a self declared Palestinian state. It was only when Yasir Arafat failed to overt hrow King Hussein of Jordan during the failed Black Sabbath in the late 1960's the phrase Palestinian was used by him. Up until then he and all other Palestinian leaders never referred to themselves as Palestinians and talked of creating a caliphate joined with Syria and Lebanon.

But hey why let historic facts get in the way of an anti-Semitic diatribe and anti-Semitic it is. To have this :'Hudson Jones" come on this site and lecture Jews on self denial is just that. This singling out of Jews and using anti Israel propaganda as the platform for it is transparent.

Self-denial. Right.

Go on "Hudson Jones"you pose as someone in authority to lecture others on self denial...finish what you start...tell people..disclose your agenda....disclose who you write for

and what your actual agenda is. Go on finish what you start. You came on this forum and said Israel needs to be wiped out because its a cancer. Finish what you started.

You want to lecture others about self denial and hide behind the name "Hudson Jones"? You come on here and attack Jews personally but fail to disclose who you are.

Why the double standard? How is it you know Jews are self deniars but your refusal to disclose who you are and what your true agenda is-is not selfdenial?Hmmmmm?

Edited June 11, 2013 by Rue

[DogOnPorch]

Thanks to things like Google's newspaper archives, one can read the whole story in the papers...no Benny Morris (etc) needed to explain it.

[Hudson Jones]

By the way, someone might want to tell the lecturer of Jews that Bennie Morris is not an historian. He is a political editorialist.

Not one word you type is true.

You may want to look at who Benny Morris is so you won't look like a misinformed babbling lunatic:

Benny Morris (Hebrew: בני מוריס; born 8 December 1948^[1]) is an Israeli professor of History in the Middle East Studies department of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in the city of Be'er Sheva, Israel.

[Guest American Woman]

Not one word you type is true.

You may want to look at who Benny Morris is so you won't look like a misinformed babbling lunatic:

Benny Morris ([/size]Hebrew: [/size]בני מוריס[/size]; born 8 December 1948[/size]^%5B1%5D) is an [/size]Israeli professor of [/size]History in the Middle East Studies department of [/size]Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in the city of [/size]Be'er Sheva, [/size]Israel.[/size]

He's a self-proclaimed "New Historian," so you might want to watch your insulting insinuations lest you look exactly as you accuse others of.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/books/the-new-new-historians.html Emphasis mine:

Fifteen years ago, the Israeli scholar Benny Morris coined the term ''new historians'' to describe a handful of young Israeli writers who were recasting the standard Zionist narrative.

The new historians had an agenda -- promoting the peace process then beginning. And many Israelis, eager to put an end to their century-old conflict, were willing to be told that their successful nation building had come at a high cost to the Palestinians. They were adjusting their collective narrative to make room for coexistence with onetime enemies. This was a salutary process but it went unreciprocated.

There were virtually no Palestinian ''new historians'' asking whether their leader in the 1930's and 40's, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was right to collaborate with the Nazis, calling for the killing of Jews ''wherever you find them.'' Few Muslim leaders questioned whether sending suicide bombers into Israeli cafes was a moral act. No Arab television station ran a series on David Ben-Gurion's confrontation with rebel Zionist militias.

Israel's new historians were viewed by Arab intellectuals not as an invitation to self-examination but as further evidence that Zionism was a crime. Worst of all, in 2000, when Israel offered Yasir Arafat more than 90 percent of the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip for a Palestinian state, his rejection was accompanied by a terrorist war that shows no signs of stopping.

....two accounts of Israeli history take us back to a more traditional Zionist narrative, a kind of corrective to the corrective. ''Right to Exist,'' by Yaacov Lozowick, the director of archives at Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust Museum, and ''The Case for Israel,'' by Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School, are polemics, not works of scholarship. But they are intelligent polemics. They don't seek to discredit the new history. Instead, they partly rely on it, while arguing vehemently -- and fairly convincingly -- that contemporary European and Arab discourse on the Middle East is indefensibly unbalanced against Israel.

Both authors are liberals on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict -- they favor the establishment of a Palestinian state in nearly all of the West Bank and Gaza, they oppose the Jewish settlements in those areas, they are critical of many Israeli policies over the years. But the message of both books is that, taken as a whole, the history of the Jewish state is an admirable one, and the suffering of Palestinians has come as much from their own leaders' intransigence as from anything done to them by Israel.

Edited June 11, 2013 by American Woman

[Guest Peeves]

While I support your position on anti-Semites, I wonder why you bother to continue to give a soap box and arena by responding?Think you will change such a mind?

Gimmeee a break.

Sorry I have ineffect bumped this, but there's a point to be made, yoou

A) don't fuel a fire

Definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

"Am Yisrael Chai"