CBC Spending Tax Dollars on A Little Black Book on Sun News

[scribblet]

It appears that the CBC has spend oodles of money compiling a dosier on Sun News according to this blogger.

That's a lot of our tax dollars that could've been spent on health care or......

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.ca/2013/05/the-cbcs-black-book-on-sun-news.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/NWSav+%28Blazing+Cat+Fur%29

document here

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=156153780

[Michael Hardner]

I don't know. I never thought about the fact that a corporation (crown or otherwise) would be tracking its coverage in this way.

It would be nice if they used this information to examine their practices a little more. Can we tell what they're doing with this information ?

[scribblet]

According to this its 1.3 billion, that's a heck of a lot of our tax dollars that could go to better things.

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.ca/2013/05/how-much-healthcare-law-enforcement.html

Possibly they could use it in speaking against SunTV at the CRTC hearings. More to be heard tonight (
Sat.) but I won't get chance to watch it, maybe it will be repeated.

[guyser]

OMG, a competitor keeping a dossier on the competition.

I mean really, how horrible.

Imagine how far $3.1B would go in healthcare......oh wait, they lost it.

Nevermind, carry on.

[scribblet]

OMG, a competitor keeping a dossier on the competition.

I mean really, how horrible.

Imagine how far $3.1B would go in healthcare......oh wait, they lost it.

Nevermind, carry on.

Actually they didn't 'lose it' but never mind, carry one

[guyser]

Actually they didn't 'lose it' but never mind, carry one

Well it isnt our tax dollars paying for CBC unless you want it to be a fair game all across the board.

Sorry, how about unaccounted for ? Seems.....so much more palatable

Edited May 10, 2013 by guyser

[scribblet]

Well it isnt our tax dollars paying for CBC unless you want it to be a fair game all across the board.

Sorry, how about unaccounted for ? Seems.....so much more palatable

It isn't our tax dollars paying for the CBC ? Not all of it, they do have other revenue sources but most is from gov't subsidies for multi millions, in fact 1.1 billion so I've read.

The other is another subject, start another thread or use the old one.

[guyser]

It isn't our tax dollars paying for the CBC ? Not all of it, they do have other revenue sources but most is from gov't subsidies for multi millions, in fact 1.1 billion so I've read.

The other is another subject, start another thread or use the old one.

Everything is paid for thru tax dollars. It is a non-starter when it is framed this way.

The CBC would be stupid not to keep a file on SNN. Any competitor worth having is worth keeping up on.

By the way, how much did the CBC spend on this dossier ? Do you know?

What about subsidied SNN gets? They spent it (some of it) on doing non-news stories on the CBC. Think of what that money couild have done for healthcare.

See where i am going with this?

Edited May 10, 2013 by guyser

[August1991]

OMG, a competitor keeping a dossier on the competition.

I mean really, how horrible.

Competition? Well, for the CBC, that's obviously the Right.

And my problem with the CBC/Radio-Canada is that it is a State organization (financed by all of us) that invariably and sadly, even comically, presents a narrow view of Canada, the Leftist side.

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I have a simple solution. I think that CBC Radio should fire Michael Enright and replace him with Mark Steyn or Kate McMillan.

If the CBC can give 5 weekday mornings to Anna-Maria Tremonti, then surely it can give 1 Sunday Morning to Mark Steyn or Kate McMillan. And then, the State broadcaster could claim a semblance of balance - and CBC Radio (at least) would offer something closer to the full spectrum of English Canadian thought/opinion.

Anyway, Enright is now like Finkleman's 45s; he's past his due date.

Imagine how far $3.1B would go in healthcare......oh wait, they lost it.

Nevermind, carry on.

Imagine that! Competition and health care, in the same post! Edited May 10, 2013 by August1991

[The_Squid]

All gov't departments keep track of media that is relevant to the particular department. And if it is controversial, staff will make approved speaking points if there are questions/controversy about a particular subject. Looking at the documents, that's what this looks like. Not surprising that the gov't would have crown corporations do so as well.

[August1991]

All gov't departments keep track of media that is relevant to the particular department.

So Squid, the CBC/R-C - according to you - is a "gov't department".

Not surprising that the gov't would have crown corporations do so as well.

Or is the CBC a "crown corporation"? But as you note, what's the difference?

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And why exactly are these various government departments/crown corporations keeping track of things?

When bureaucrats at Statistics Canada collect data, leftists applaud. Leftists want more such data.

When agents from the RCMP/CSIS obtain information, leftists question. Leftists want less such data.

Why/how do Leftists make the distinction? Is it that Statistics Canada is "impersonal" whereas CSIS is not? What useful information is not "personal" in some way?

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Thread drift ahead: In this modern world, we are inundated with information. The problem is to sort through the available information and find something meaningful.

We no longer have any need for such State agencies as Statistics Canada. In 1813, the State had a role in collecting information. In 2013, the information is simply too complex.

IOW, it is naive to believe that a State census in 2013 provides any useful information. To begin with, in 2013, people don't tell the truth when completing questionnaires.

Edited May 11, 2013 by August1991

[The_Squid]

So Squid, the CBC/R-C - according to you - is a "gov't department".

No.

Or is the CBC a "crown corporation"? But as you note, what's the difference?

I didn't ask what the difference was.... I said since departments and crow corps are both government run, it's not a surprise that there would be some similar operations.

And why exactly are these various government departments/crown corporations keeping track of things?

You can't see why media about a particular department might be relevant to that department?

When bureaucrats at Statistics Canada collect data, leftists applaud. Leftists want more such data.

When agents from the RCMP/CSIS obtain information, leftists question. Leftists want less such data.

Why/how do Leftists make the distinction? Is it that Statistics Canada is "impersonal" whereas CSIS is not? What useful information is not "personal" in some way?

This is just drivel.

We no longer have any need for such State agencies as Statistics Canada. In 1813, the State had a role in collecting information. In 2013, the information is simply too complex.

You obviously don't run a business... Or do any research... Or have any interest in economics... Or work n the health industry....

Your statement is so ignorant, it's laughable.

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/researchers-chercheurs/index.action?lang=eng&univ=6&search=&start=1&end=25&sort=0&themeId=0&date=&series=&author=&themeState=-1&dateState=-1&seriesState=-1&authorState=-1&showAll=false

[August1991]

You obviously don't run a business... Or do any research... Or have any interest in economics... Or work n the health industry....

Your statement is so ignorant, it's laughable.

http://www.googleventures.com/team/hal-varian

[ReeferMadness]

It appears that the CBC has spend oodles of money compiling a dosier on Sun News according to this blogger.

That's a lot of our tax dollars that could've been spent on health care or......

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.ca/2013/05/the-cbcs-black-book-on-sun-news.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/NWSav+%28Blazing+Cat+Fur%29

document here

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=156153780

Are you for real? Is it supposed to be shocking that an organization like CBC would be tracking what another, hostile, organization has been saying about it? You don't think that CBC (like every other organization of any size) has media relations and communications specialists who are responsible for managing the organization's public image??

What rock are you guys living under? And what about Harper's massive communications department? Do you think that they don't track who is saying what about the Conservatives??

[scribblet]

All gov'ts have communication depts, nothing different there.

IMO it's shocking that a heavily gov't subsidized corporation would spend that kind of money on tracking SunNews, and it's employees. CBC is not a private company, it's a State broadcaster.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2013/05/10/20812511.html

[BubberMiley]

IMO it's shocking that a heavily gov't subsidized corporation would spend that kind of money on tracking SunNews and its employees.

What kind of money was it? How much?

[Bryan]

I don't think Sun would have blinked if CTV or Global had such a book. It's the spending of tax dollars to compete with private entities that is galling.

While I tend to agree with those who think the time ot just end the CBC has come, I do think that at the very least they have to decide if they are a public broadcaster or a private one, and stick with that choice. Either they compete with other broadcasters (and get no public money), or they stick with public funding and stop competing.

[Icebound]

We can argue that they are "competing", or maybe they are ADDING.... content and information that my not otherwise be available. The French Language services, radio services, investigative, etc.

I might even suggest that "keeping a black book on Sun" as a useful add-on service... After all, SOMEBODY has to do it. The RCMP used public money to keep dossiers on people like Tommy Douglas, so what's the big deal about CBC on Sun?

The CBC is the cultural equivalent of "research". Some things work, some things don't, but a lot of people get training and experience, and the consumers get some stuff they would never see anywhere else.

Yes, the CBC should be under scruitiny.... (everything should, including our corporate laws).... And yes, it was perhaps more relevant historically than it is now... But be very careful about throwing away your cultural assets.

Or else the Sun News's of this world might just become your cultural norm.

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[Icebound]

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While I tend to agree with those who think the time ot just end the CBC has come, I do think that at the very least they have to decide if they are a public broadcaster or a private one,....

I think the current structure is actually quite genius.

They have enough public funding to allow some freedom to experiment, but not so much that they can be totally foolhardy. They need enough private income so as to require them to "compete" effectively with the private broadcasters. And isn't competition supposed to be a GOOD thing, forcing both the CBC and the privates to get "better"?

Is the CBC a detriment to private broadcasting.... or DID IT, in fact, kick-start the creation and flourishing of (good) private broadcasters?

[BubberMiley]

What kind of money was it? How much?

Wait a minute. You don't even know how much money, do you?

[scribblet]

Wait a minute. You don't even know how much money, do you

I personally haven't seen a dollar amount, but so what. This is the same CBC that screams about the gov’ts use of public funds.. guess Brian Lilley is happy to see he made their Nixonian enemy list. -

Edited May 11, 2013 by scribblet

[Bitsy]

Wait a minute. You don't even know how much money, do you?

Now you should know that Harper supporters don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative .

[roy baty]

"CBC spending taxpayers $$s to silence Sun News Nework" is what the title of the OP should read. CBC is the purest example of wasting tax dollars before this and now they want anyone who calls them out to go away? Apparently they do at "everyone's" expense.. This should be the last straw to cut the umbilical cord Canada and let them compete on even ground...

[margrace]

There is a lot of junk on CTV and Global and soon Ma bell will control us all. The only good station is the CBC. Like Harper, Conservatives don't like anything that makes them think.

[roy baty]

There is a lot of junk on CTV and Global and soon Ma bell will control us all. The only good station is the CBC. Like Harper, Conservatives don't like anything that makes th

Lol! Just like the Libs love anything that makes them and everyone else think like they do.. Hence the CBC

Edited May 12, 2013 by roy baty