August1991 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) “I’ve known Justin since he was a child. He’s young, articulate, attractive – a flawlessly bilingual young man. What’s not to like with this picture?” he said. “Anybody who … treats Justin Trudeau with scorn or derision or underestimates him, does so at his own peril,” he said. “We’ll see what happens in the future; it’s a long way from here to there. But no one should underestimate Justin. He’s a man of some consequence.” CTV 1. Mulroney is a federalist. 2. Mulroney - at arm's length - wants to help Harper. Edited April 20, 2013 by August1991 Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 What the former PM was saying was that in his view, Trudeau is in fact formidable. Quote
Topaz Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 Wouldn't you like to be on board the PM's plane flying to Thatcher's funeral and hear what Mulroney and Harper had to say to each other? Quote
cybercoma Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 I would take Mulroney a thousand times over Stephen Harper. Here is a Conservative that understands the place of social responsibility within the paradigm of conservative values. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 I would take Mulroney a thousand times over Stephen Harper. Here is a Conservative that understands the place of social responsibility within the paradigm of conservative values. Best recent Prime Minister! Quote
cybercoma Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 Best recent Prime Minister! Let's not get too carried away here. Quote
punked Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 Best recent Prime Minister! Last 25 years for sure. Quote
Argus Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 I would take Mulroney a thousand times over Stephen Harper. Here is a Conservative that understands the place of social responsibility within the paradigm of conservative values. Also a crook who takes big payoffs in cash. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
punked Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 Also a crook who takes big payoffs in cash. Sure but the guy we elected after was also a crook so it boils down to the times. Quote
Argus Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 Sure but the guy we elected after was also a crook so it boils down to the times. No, it doesn't. It boils down to them both being crooks with the morals of alley cats. I might not like Harper very much but there's no evidence at all he has that particular moral flaw. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shakeyhands Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 Sure but the guy we elected after was also a crook so it boils down to the times. How so? Pretty big statement there Punked. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
The_Squid Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 The man was a crook who stole from taxpayers. I really don't care to hear anything Mulroney has to say. Quote
punked Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 How so? Pretty big statement there Punked. Adscam seriously? Quote
BC_chick Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 No, it doesn't. It boils down to them both being crooks with the morals of alley cats. I might not like Harper very much but there's no evidence at all he has that particular moral flaw. Evidence usually surfaces just before the fact. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Argus Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 Evidence usually surfaces just before the fact. If you have any you're welcome to bring it up. But I do not presuppose corruption and theft in people, not even politicians. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 No, it doesn't. It boils down to them both being crooks with the morals of alley cats. I might not like Harper very much but there's no evidence at all he has that particular moral flaw. Harper's fiscal improprieties are all electoral based. Let's not forget that these issues seem to always come to light after their terms are over. Quote
Argus Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 Harper's fiscal improprieties are all electoral based. Let's not forget that these issues seem to always come to light after their terms are over. Chretien's corruption was fairly well-known after his first term, and rumors surrounded Mulroney and his ministers for much of his term in office. I would be very surprised if anything similar ever came to light about Harper. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonbox Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 What the former PM was saying was that in his view, Trudeau is in fact formidable. He's not formidable at all. His name is formidable, and he's formidable enough to take advantage of that. Barring his name, he'd still be a drama teacher. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
cybercoma Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 He's not formidable at all. His name is formidable, and he's formidable enough to take advantage of that. Barring his name, he'd still be a drama teacher. I'm not sure whose opinion I should believe now. The guy who has watched Trudeau grow up and been around him his whole life or the internet poster with an opinion to the contrary. I'll have to think about this one. Quote
Argus Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 I'm not sure whose opinion I should believe now. The guy who has watched Trudeau grow up and been around him his whole life or the internet poster with an opinion to the contrary. Because Brian Mulroney is famous for his honesty and integrity, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 I'm not really sure what he stands to gain here for simply saying one should not dismiss Trudeau. Quote
eyeball Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 Because Brian Mulroney is famous for his honesty and integrity, right? I thought this was all about age and experience, which of course trumps Harper's. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
August1991 Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) No, it doesn't. It boils down to them both being crooks with the morals of alley cats. I might not like Harper very much but there's no evidence at all he has that particular moral flaw.Aside from Left or Right, and given what is happening in Montreal, don't underestimate Harper's reputation for being Mr. Clean (another Claude Ryan or U Thant!) The fact is that Harper has never accepted a brown envelope - and even people in Toronto know that he's not that "kinda guy". ---- With that said, in a pickle, I'd prefer to have a smart crook by my side if the alternative was an honest fool. Edited April 22, 2013 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Posted April 22, 2013 My OP? I simply reckoned that Mulroney's comment will help Trudeau Jnr in French Canada (Quebec) and hurt Trudeau Jnr in English Canada (ROC). Ultimately, Mulroney's comment helps Harper. Quote
Argus Posted April 22, 2013 Report Posted April 22, 2013 Aside from Left or Right, and given what is happening in Montreal, don't underestimate Harper's reputation for being Mr. Clean (another Claude Ryan or U Thant!) The fact is that Harper has never accepted a brown envelope - and even people in Toronto know that he's not that "kinda guy". ---- With that said, in a pickle, I'd prefer to have a smart crook by my side if the alternative was an honest fool. Except no one has ever suggested Harper was a fool, either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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