Boges Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 The only reason for the embargo in Cuba is to pander to the Cuban Ex-Pat community in South Florida.
Boges Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Only indirectly, Boges, but one would have to know some history to understand the connections. Certainly, USA terrorism around the world has a great deal to do with what happened in Boston. Yep the US has certainly done a lot to ruin the lives of the people of Chechnya where the brothers are from. You're logic could extend to absolve anyone who commits terrorism anywhere as the fault of the nebulous terrorist state Murica. I'm guessing you think subjects here should be set free then. They were only doing the good work of injuring the Great Satan by putting a bomb next a finish line of a race near thousands of civilians. Edited May 20, 2015 by Boges
Je suis Omar Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 The only reason for the embargo in Cuba is to pander to the Cuban Ex-Pat community in South Florida. One would have to know some history before making such an assumption, Boges. But let's assume for a minute that that is the case, the only case. That means that you have proven the USA to be a terrorist group for the basest of reasons. People of power in the USA commit crimes against poor people to garner votes. How low, how vicious, how amoral is that?
Je suis Omar Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Yep the US has certainly done a lot to ruin the lives of the people of Chechnya where the brothers are from. Your rolleyes doesn't do anything save for illustrating you're young. Many of the millions of people the USA has murdered and stole from are of Islam. You're logic could extend to absolve anyone who commits terrorism anywhere as the fault of the nebulous terrorist state Murica. Unlike you, and more than a few others, I'm not attempting to absolve anyone. What's good for the goose to get hung for is good for the gander to get hung for. What is happening today would not be happening if the USA wasn't a terrorist rogue nation which has, with no doubt whatsoever, committed vastly more terrorist actions, with much much greater lethal results, than the sum total of all the current usual suspects. I'm guessing you think subjects here should be set free then. They were only doing the good work of injuring the Great Satan by putting a bomb next a finish line of a race near thousands of civilians. Another bad, uninformed guess, Boges. And they only killed how many, Boges? Take just one of the myriad illegal invasions of sovereign nations by the USA and from that, take just one bombing, out of tens of thousands of bombings, and you could count thousands of civilians, children included, who were blown to smithereens by one event. All done because the USA wanted to steal their wealth. Compare the motives of the two brothers to the motives of the USA. Edited May 20, 2015 by Je suis Omar
Boges Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 How are you trying to equate two people to the post-WW2 military history of an entire nation? You can't compare the two things. It's like trying to compare Timothy McVeigh with Iran.
Je suis Omar Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) How are you trying to equate two people to the post-WW2 military history of an entire nation? You can't compare the two things. The Boston brothers - not motivated by greed. Knew that they likely would die. The USA - motivated by greed. Knew that tens of millions of innocents would die, hundreds of millions would have their lives wrecked. The USA would become fabulously wealthy from their stolen wealth. That wasn't at all difficult, now was it, Boges? Edited May 20, 2015 by Je suis Omar
Boges Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 The Boston brothers - not motivated by greed. Knew that they likely would die. The USA - motivated by greed. Knew that tens of millions of innocents would die, hundreds of millions would have their lives wrecked. The USA would become fabulously wealthy from their stolen wealth. That wasn't at all difficult, now was it, Boges? Yes it was. Unless the world starts WW3 in opposition to Murika they'll go unpunished. Unless you think your opinions on a Canadian Politics Message Board effect change in some way. These guys are getting punished. You can't put your finger on who is at fault for America's Greed can you it's just a generation of both Liberal and Conservative Presidents and congresses that have run a nation in the years following WW2.
Je suis Omar Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 Yes it was. Unless the world starts WW3 in opposition to Murika they'll go unpunished. Unless you think your opinions on a Canadian Politics Message Board effect change in some way. These guys are getting punished. Do you consider that that's a good enough reason for you to support a country that is the equivalent of the Nazis, that no one is powerful enough to halt them? Who are "these guys"? You can't put your finger on who is at fault for America's Greed can you it's just a generation of both Liberal and Conservative Presidents and congresses that have run a nation in the years following WW2. Yes, it's perfectly clear who is at fault, as it always is in these situations. You do know where the buck stops. Every USA president since WWII has committed war crimes that, if Nuremberg laws were applied, they would have been hung. (Noam Chomsky)
Shady Posted May 20, 2015 Report Posted May 20, 2015 The Cuban regime needs to respect the rights and freedoms of the Cuban people. Period.
Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 The Cuban regime needs to respect the rights and freedoms of the Cuban people. Period. "Robert Kennedy informed the CIA that the Cuban problem carries "the top priority in the United States Government -- all else is secondary -- no time, no effort, or manpower is to be spared" in the effort to overthrow the Castro regime." That, Shady, is the dictionary definition of terrorism. And that from a person who was considered a moral person in American history. Highly indicative of the low life scum that has inhabited the usa's highest office.
Boges Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Do you consider that that's a good enough reason for you to support a country that is the equivalent of the Nazis, that no one is powerful enough to halt them? Who are "these guys"? Yes, it's perfectly clear who is at fault, as it always is in these situations. You do know where the buck stops. Every USA president since WWII has committed war crimes that, if Nuremberg laws were applied, they would have been hung. (Noam Chomsky) I'm sorry but your violations of Goodwin's Law here makes your opinions comical and easy to disregard.
Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 I'm sorry but your violations of Goodwin's Law here makes your opinions comical and easy to disregard. You speak of "violations" of an internet meme, which you have used inaccurately, to attempt to explain away USA war crimes and terrorism. Do you have the slightest conception of the meaning of 'violation', Boges? Pouring poisonous, carcinogenic chemicals (that Americans knew were carcinogenic) on innocent people and an innocent country that had never done anything to the Americans is a gross violation of human decency. We have to note that you are providing support for such evil. What was done at the Boston marathon was wrong but it pales into insignificance when measured against what the USA has done, what its soldiers have done. Compare the My Lai massacre, massacres that were common occurrences in Vietnam, and wherever else the USA went to save the oppressed, with the Boston marathon incident and you'll find that there is just no comparison. Are you aware of the punishment for the perpetrators of those massacres? Do a bit of research. You'll be shocked, ... or not.
Boges Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) I notice your retort didn't mention a comparison to the Nazis. We're making progress I suppose. Vietnam was a blight on US History. I won't argue with that. Doesn't mean what the Boston Bombers did wasn't horrific and what happened in Vietnam doesn't even compare to what the Nazis inflicted on a good majority of Europe. Edited May 21, 2015 by Boges
GostHacked Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Vietnam. Haiti. Afghanistan. Iraq. Blights. Oh let's throw in Syria, Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, .... What the US gov is doing to it's own people is also a blight. NSA, PATRIOT ACT, NDAA ....
Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 I notice your retort didn't mention a comparison to the Nazis. We're making progress I suppose. Vietnam was a blight on US History. I won't argue with that. Doesn't mean what the Boston Bombers did wasn't horrific and what happened in Vietnam doesn't even compare to what the Nazis inflicted on a good majority of Europe. But your reply did include a mention of the Nazis. These gigantic inconsistencies in your "arguments" illustrates what a person has to deal with in discussing any serious issues with you. Vietnam was not a blight on US history. It was a massive set of war crimes perpetrated upon the people of Vietnam by one of the greediest, most rapacious band of marauders the world has ever witnessed. Vietnam was just another Philippines, which was just another Korea, which was just another Cambodia which was just another Laos which was just another Nicaragua, which was just another Afghanistan, which was just another Iraq, which was just another Hawaii, which was just another ... .
Boges Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Vietnam was just another Philippines, which was just another Korea, which was just another Cambodia which was just another Laos which was just another Nicaragua, which was just another Afghanistan, which was just another Iraq, which was just another Hawaii, which was just another ... . Philippines? You mean the result of the Spanish-American War? That was a war crime too? So what military conflict that the US was involved in wasn't a war crime?
Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Philippines? You mean the result of the Spanish-American War? That was a war crime too? So what military conflict that the US was involved in wasn't a war crime? Yes, the Philippines was, and has continued to be a series of war crimes and terrorist actions against those people. You seem to be the expert on history so why don't you tell me a "military conflict" the USA was in that didn't involve war crimes.
Argus Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Vietnam. Haiti. Afghanistan. Iraq. Blights. Oh let's throw in Syria, Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, .... What the US gov is doing to it's own people is also a blight. NSA, PATRIOT ACT, NDAA .... Don't forget they blew up the world trade center, Gosthacked! You know they did it! Edited May 21, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Yes, the Philippines was, and has continued to be a series of war crimes and terrorist actions against those people. You seem to be the expert on history so why don't you tell me a "military conflict" the USA was in that didn't involve war crimes. Well your definition of war crime seems to cover all war. Was Korea really a war crime? The North invaded a UN ally and the war had broad support amongst NATO. Then when the tables turned on the North, China stepped in. Seems like a pretty fair fight actually. The first Iraq war also seemed to have popular support amongst Western Nations. The Saudis invited the West in. I don't recall the US killing civilians, just cuz, in that war. I guess perhaps a responsible Western World should have just let Iraq take of Saudi Arabia. The Afghanistan war had to happen, it was a response to an act of war. It's turned into a quagmire but at the time it had similar support to the two other conflicts I've mentioned. You could argue the plight of the people of Afghanistan under the Taliban was a war crime couldn't you? If those are all war crimes in your mind, then I'll assume you think all war is criminal. UK declaring war on Germany in 1914 WAR CRIME! The UK fighting the Nazis WAR CRIME. The Iraq-Iran war WAR CRIME!!! The Boer War. WAR CRIME!!! Edited May 21, 2015 by Boges
Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 The Afghanistan war had to happen, it was a response to an act of war. See, Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was every bit as illegal as the invasion of Iraq. Why, then, do so many Americans see it as justifiable? http://www.alternet.org/story/93473/afghanistan%3A_the_other_illegal_war You could argue the plight of the people of Afghanistan under the Taliban was a war crime couldn't you? You could argue that, but that wouldn't help your case at all. The USA made the Taliban and supported them. They were content with the Taliban until the Taliban refused to support an American oil company's bid for a pipeline from the Caspian basin across Afghanistan to Pakistan. This is just so typical of the USA. How could anyone living on this planet, who isn't willfully blind, have missed this? Just consider the number of dictators the USA supports, has supported.
Boges Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Ahhhh so the response to 911 should have been: "That sucked, we had it coming though. Carry on"
dre Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 The first Iraq war also seemed to have popular support amongst Western Nations. The Saudis invited the West in. I don't recall the US killing civilians, just cuz, in that war. I guess perhaps a responsible Western World should have just let Iraq take of Saudi Arabia. I guess at this point, one has to wonder just what in the ever loving #%$^ you are even talking about? How can the Saudis "invite" the west to intervene in a conflict between Iraq and Kuwait? I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Boges Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) I guess at this point, one has to wonder just what in the ever loving #%$^ you are even talking about? How can the Saudis "invite" the west to intervene in a conflict between Iraq and Kuwait? As a staging ground and to prevent an impending invasion of that country. Where else was the war to be staged? Syria? The Saudi government didn't seem upset about it. It's the Muslim Radicals that used it as a justification for 9/11, now that's a different story. Edited May 21, 2015 by Boges
Je suis Omar Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Ahhhh so the response to 911 should have been: "That sucked, we had it coming though. Carry on" Reducing things to the absurd doesn't help your case either, Boges. The USA, as a purported rule of law country, should have done what other rule of law countries like Cuba, Nicaragua and Korea have done. The latter held war crimes hearings against the USA in New York wherein many Koreans testified to the myriad war crimes of the USA. The first two countries took the legal route, the one that the USA could have taken which would have prevented the death of many. In both cases the USA was found guilty of numerous breaches of international law.
Shady Posted May 21, 2015 Report Posted May 21, 2015 Don't forget they blew up the world trade center, Gosthacked! You know they did it! Exactly. I'm also pretty sure that the American government wrote the Koran too. And put in all the bad stuff on purpose to make Muslims and Muslim countries do horrible things and be horrible places to live.
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