Topaz Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Michael Sona, is being charged by Election Canada for the robocalls in Guelph. Now, will he finally come forth and tell all the truth who was involved?? I can't believe that a 22 year did all those calls across the country and I don't think most voters do. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/02/pol-michael-sona-charged-under-elections-act.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 He may have had help, but with today's technology who knows. At least we should get to the bottom of it with this court case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 You beat me to the thread Topaz. Here is a link that is of interest. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=med&document=apr0213&dir=pre-com〈=e WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortlived Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Now, will he finally come forth and tell all the truth who was involved?? Yeah cause court magically makes the truth appear... it is a bigger den of lies than meet the press. I bet no one involved in an event and no evidence and the court could still figure out what the truth was simply by listening to lawyers most recent fantasies about the facts. Perhaps he will just plead guilty after his lawyers statement to the press "He couldn't have done it alone." http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/04/statements-from-michael-sona-conservative-party-on-robocall-charge.html Edited April 3, 2013 by shortlived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 To get to the the data base for the information on opposition voters, one had to have the password to the computer and he said he didn't have it and only one of two people did. So, who were this person/people that had the password? I did listen to his interview from the past and he does sound believable and he did sound like he was going to open up and tell all if pressed in a court room. Maybe, he should get a bodyguard, one never knows now a days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 It looks like he's a scapegoat. Hopefully, he has information to further the investigation and that Elections Canada is actually interested in going after the architects of the scam. However, I suspect they're not truly interested and this court case is just a little window dressing. They've now made it look like they made an effort and can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 He'll be bought off by those who are responsible, sadly. It will be interesting though if he starts naming names.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 No I don't believe that is the case. In order for this to proceed,someone must first get charged. We will have to see what happens,but I somehow doubt that someone who was only 20 or 21 yrs old would have thought up and executed such a plan for these robocalls. More information will be slowly and dramaticaly coming out,and if it turns out that this kid is only a scapegoat,the media is going to drag this one painfully through the trash for the conservative party! Either way,I predict this will be another nail in the coffin for the federal conservatives in Ontario at least. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 He'll be bought off by those who are responsible, sadly. It will be interesting though if he starts naming names.... From his previous statements,and from his lawyers recent ones,it sounds like he is going to fight this one on principal. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Yeah cause court magically makes the truth appear... it is a bitter den of lies than meet the press. I bet no one involved in an event and no evidence and the court could still figure out what the truth was simply by listening to lawyers most recent fantasies about the facts. Perhaps he will just plead guilty after his lawyers statement to the press "He couldn't have done it alone." http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/04/statements-from-michael-sona-conservative-party-on-robocall-charge.html Actually the conservative statement found on the link you provided points another finger at their supporter database. I find it odd that they would draw attention to their data base because so much of this issue revolves on it. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 We will have to see what happens,but I somehow doubt that someone who was only 20 or 21 yrs old would have thought up and executed such a plan for these robocalls. WWWTT Ever seen some of the convoluted computer hacks perpetrated by teenagers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 It looks like he's a scapegoat. Hopefully, he has information to further the investigation and that Elections Canada is actually interested in going after the architects of the scam. However, I suspect they're not truly interested and this court case is just a little window dressing. They've now made it look like they made an effort and can move on. My worry too. How could they go all this time and only wind up with this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Ever seen some of the convoluted computer hacks perpetrated by teenagers? So he hacked the computers of his won party and went rogue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Ever seen some of the convoluted computer hacks perpetrated by teenagers? You are engaging in speculation. And any such attempt will not happen at any trial in Canada under as much scrutiny as this one. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I think he'll be bought off. Any penalty from this trial will be a slap on the wrist, and his future with the CPC or their supporters is assured by his silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Oh here it comes, getting ready in case he's innocent. I suppose even if he is fully cleared it won't be believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Oh here it comes, getting ready in case he's innocent. I suppose even if he is fully cleared it won't be believed. There's obviously plenty of people who'd rather make huge leaps to the conclusions they want to believe, no matter how conspiracy-theory-esque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 You are engaging in speculation. And any such attempt will not happen at any trial in Canada under as much scrutiny as this one. WWWTT And your statement that a young-un couldn't do such a thing wasn't speculation, it was hard proven fact, was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I can't believe that a 22 year did all those calls across the country and I don't think most voters do. Maybe he's really a fall guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Well, after a two year witch hunt and one (well maybe one) 'witch' to be found, one wonders how competent Elections Canada is. If anyone deserves to be taken out to the woodshed for leading Canadian electors astray it is Elections Canada, aided and abetted by a compliant media. Or actually pushed into by a couple of journalists who like to use a lot of innuendo and supposition. I hope there is enough proof and evidence to put this to rest once and for all. If Sona really did do it, then he should get jail time, but until we hear the evidence and watch the outcome it could be a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadX Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Guaranteed that he either isn't involved at all and they are blaming it on him or he was only the fall guy. A 22 year old kid isn't sophisticated enough to orchestrate such a complex scheme. http://www.antiharper.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Well, after a two year witch hunt and one (well maybe one) 'witch' to be found, one wonders how competent Elections Canada is. If anyone deserves to be taken out to the woodshed for leading Canadian electors astray it is Elections Canada, aided and abetted by a compliant media. Or actually pushed into by a couple of journalists who like to use a lot of innuendo and supposition. I hope there is enough proof and evidence to put this to rest once and for all. If Sona really did do it, then he should get jail time, but until we hear the evidence and watch the outcome it could be a while. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadX Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 This is only scratching the surface, there is more than him involved, kids just simply aren't sophisticated enough to run this scheme alone. I think the orders came from high up, maybe even the PMOs office. That would be great if they could connect this all back to Harper but that is unlikely. The media is too compliant and Harper is too careful anyways. I can't see them sticking this to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 You can be a harper hater ,but harper would have no part in this sort of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckistani Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Harper probably had very little to do with this, he can`t micromanage every riding. OTOH, the brain trust behind the election likely came up with this scheme, Harper is leader of the party as well as the govt, so ultimately the buck should stop with him. Not for criminal charges, but for being held responsible at election time. Thing is, most of the people that would vote CPC wouldn`t really care about this, anything to win. Which, I beleive is true for all the parties, not just the CPC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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