Iraq Invasion - America's Shame... 10 years on

[Guest Derek L]

This is timely:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/iraq-war-10-years-later-worth-141829429.html

70 percent of direct casualties were civilians. It puts the lie to the image of high tech war with pin-point munitions. Instead, it's the same old thing. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Calm down now..........On the 10th of March, 1945, the 21st Bomber Command destroyed nearly 30% of Tokyo, killing over 100k people in a single raid.........

Now of those 70% casualties, how many were killed by insurgents?

[bush_cheney2004]

Now of those 70% casualties, how many were killed by insurgents?

Far less than the 500,000 children reportedly killed by U.S. and Canada enforced sanctions.

Published on Friday, July 21, 2000 at 1:23 PM ET by Reuters

UN Says Sanctions Have Killed Some 500,000 Iraqi Children

BAGHDAD - A senior U.N. official said Friday about

half a million children under the age of 5 have died in Iraq

since the imposition of U.N. sanctions 10 years ago.

Edited March 19, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

President Saddam Hussein is captured in his "spider hole" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4urFfbxRljY

[Guest Derek L]

Far less than the 500,000 children reportedly killed by U.S. and Canada enforced sanctions.

Published on Friday, July 21, 2000 at 1:23 PM ET by Reuters

UN Says Sanctions Have Killed Some 500,000 Iraqi Children

BAGHDAD - A senior U.N. official said Friday about

half a million children under the age of 5 have died in Iraq

since the imposition of U.N. sanctions 10 years ago.

That's no good..........And I'd thought you'd point to the RCAF units under RAF Bomber Command...........That killed as many (or more) Germans over the course of the war...........Operation Gomorrah killed nearly 50k Germans in several days in '43..........Then there was Dresden........they still haven't finished cleaning up the mess.......

[bush_cheney2004]

That's no good..........And I'd thought you'd point to the RCAF units under RAF Bomber Command...........That killed as many (or more) Germans over the course of the war...........Operation Gomorrah killed nearly 50k Germans in several days in '43..........Then there was Dresden........they still haven't finished cleaning up the mess.......

Well hell man, if you want some serious numbers we need to check out the Japanese rape of China....too many to count. I think they are still angry about that.

[Guest Derek L]

Well hell man, if you want some serious numbers we need to check out the Japanese rape of China....too many to count. I think they are still angry about that.

Or the German rape of Russian cities and the Russian rape of Eastern Europe..........Or Mao's rape of China.......

[waldo]

Or the German rape of Russian cities and the Russian rape of Eastern Europe..........Or Mao's rape of China.......

so you rationalize and balance the Iraq war atrocities against any/all other 'comers'? When do you start the war porn?

[bush_cheney2004]

war (noun)

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.

2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.

3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.

4. armed fighting, as a science, profession, activity, or art; methods or principles of waging armed conflict: War is the soldier's business.

5. active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

[Guest Derek L]

so you rationalize and balance the Iraq war atrocities against any/all other 'comers'? When do you start the war porn?

Oh, I don’t rationalize, I merely add context to the prior comment regarding “high tech war” with “pinpoint munitions”………..Clearly if the United States had of had a wanton attitude towards Iraqi civilians, they could have turned the place into a glass parking lot inside of an hour……..Or bombed the dams on the Tigris and Euphrates………The result, millions of dead Iraqis but no insurgency.

No how many of said dead Iraqis were at the hands of other Iraqis and Muslim insurgents?

[Hudson Jones]

Thomas Friedman's moustache nails it:

[waldo]

war (noun)

do you have a definition for the illegal war... the illegal Iraq war? Spare me your self-indulgent reach for the U.S. Congress sanctioning itself - it carries no weight on the legal world stage!

[Guest Derek L]

do you have a definition for the illegal war... the illegal Iraq war? Spare me your self-indulgent reach for the U.S. Congress sanctioning itself - it carries no weight on the legal world stage!

Might makes Right………Perhaps the “world” should legally “punish” the United States………..

[waldo]

Might makes Right………

I wouldn't expect you to say anything... but! Given your oft displayed militaristic zeal, just what was Made Right through the Iraq war... with all that Might?

[Guest Derek L]

I wouldn't expect you to say anything... but! Given your oft displayed militaristic zeal, just what was Made Right through the Iraq war... with all that Might?

No more Saddam and the continued hegemony of Sunni Arab States by the Kingdom of Saud.........Now just wait for Iran

http://youtu.be/eGiYEWRzTik

[waldo]

No more Saddam

"No more Saddam"! Oh really! Then I'm quite sure my OP quote from Darth has special meaning for you, yes? "Might have... at some future time... posed a threat"

the Iraq War was justified because, 'the U.S. eliminated a regime that might have at some future time posed a threat'.

.

...and the continued hegemony of Sunni Arab States by the Kingdom of Saud.........Now just wait for Iran

and you believe deposing Hussein, destabilizing the region, bringing forward increased ties between Iraq & Iran... was/is a good thing? Does your continued Arab Sunni hegemony claim, extend to an eventual Jewish-Sunni alliance against Iran? Are you that much of a dreamer? Will you also offer the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" quip?

[GostHacked]

war (noun)

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.

2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.

3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.

4. armed fighting, as a science, profession, activity, or art; methods or principles of waging armed conflict: War is the soldier's business.

5. active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

That's all good, but this was not a war, this was an invasion.

[bush_cheney2004]

do you have a definition for the illegal war... the illegal Iraq war? Spare me your self-indulgent reach for the U.S. Congress sanctioning itself - it carries no weight on the legal world stage!

Please call the "world stage" police and arrest the U.S. Congress and Bush Administration for an "illegal war". Hope you don't mind if drone death bots continue their strike missions in Pakistan, or if we have another "illegal war" with Iran while we wait for the crimes trial(s). Want some more bombs to go with those American made CF-18's ?

[DogOnPorch]

Please call the "world stage" police and arrest the U.S. Congress and Bush Administration for an "illegal war". Hope you don't mind if drone death bots continue their strike missions in Pakistan, or if we have another "illegal war" with Iran while we wait for the crimes trial(s). Want some more bombs to go with those American made CF-18's ?

You mean they weren't built by loving beavers???

[GostHacked]

Not that many have paid attention. But since the war was 'won' and the US has 'left' Iraq, we see this kind of thing weekly over there. Ever since Saddam was taken out, this has become a weekly occurance the likes not have seen in Iraq before the invasion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21840718

The co-ordinated attacks targeted markets, restaurants, bus stops and day labourers during the morning rush hour.

Iraq's deadliest day in six months came on the 10th anniversary of the US-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

Violence has decreased in Iraq since the peak of the insurgency in 2006 and 2007, but bombings are still common.

Sunni Islamist militants linked to al-Qaeda have vowed to step up attacks on Shia targets and state officials this year in an attempt to provoke sectarian conflict and weaken the Shia-led government.

In a sign of concern over the security situation, the cabinet announced that it was delaying elections scheduled for 20 April in the provinces of Anbar and Nineveh by up to six months.

But it was about oil contracts and not about bringing freedom or quashing terrorism.

[GostHacked]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

"Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that," said General John Abizaid in 2007, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq. Former Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Senator and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."

Of course it was about oil. What was Afghanistan about? Freedom?? AHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHh ........

[GostHacked]

Post Invasion of Iraq is not good for Christians......

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17357746-people-turned-on-christians-persecuted-iraqi-minority-reflects-on-life-after-saddam?lite

Extremists haven't targeted only individual Christians and their families. On Oct. 31, 2010, gunmen stormed Our Lady of Salvation Church in Baghdad during Sunday Mass, taking more than a hundred hostages. When security forces tried to free those held, the attackers detonated explosives. At least 58 people were killed, including two priests.

Awesome.

[DogOnPorch]

Post Invasion of Iraq is not good for Christians......

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17357746-people-turned-on-christians-persecuted-iraqi-minority-reflects-on-life-after-saddam?liteAwesome.

They do that anyways. See Egypt.

[bush_cheney2004]

They do that anyways. See Egypt.

Right...we all know that Egypt and Iraq are Christian paradises.

[GostHacked]

They do that anyways. See Egypt.

Irrelevant example.

[DogOnPorch]

Irrelevant example.

Why? Because you don't have Americans to blame for poor behaviour?