Iraq Invasion - America's Shame... 10 years on

[bush_cheney2004]

I guess Saddam didn’t have a law banning the toppling of his regime……As to oil and “real reasons”, the requirement of security and stability of the Persian Gulf region and it’s oil reserves has been stated policy of a great many nations since oil was first discovered…….It’s too bad many didn’t figure that out until after the war.

Agreed....that's why the U.S. Navy maintains portable jurisdictions:

[WWWTT]

So, why did the NDP support military action in Libya and not Iraq?

Behold,Stawman,in all its glory!

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Is the United States of America not currently engaged in military operations around the globe ? Are America's drone death bots not attacking and killing perps and "innocent civilians" in Afghanistan, Yemen, and Pakistan ? Has the "link" you refer to translated to a change in U.S. power projection ?

Any regrets about Iraq does not equate to shame at a national level.

The one big lesson the US did learn from the Vietnam era was don't show US troops/war machine killing people on US TV sets.

That's why the US government hunts down Wikileaks like a rabid dog!

How about watching a family in Iraq getting mowed down by machine gun fire from an attack helicopter then say "Well that's to bad for them,USA,USA,USA"

WWWTT

[bush_cheney2004]

...How about watching a family in Iraq getting mowed down by machine gun fire from an attack helicopter then say "Well that's to bad for them,USA,USA,USA"

Gee....that seems kind of trivial compared to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. USA! USA! USA!

[Guest Derek L]

Behold,Stawman,in all its glory!

WWWTT

Behold hypocrisy...........

So, why did the NDP support military action in Libya and not Iraq?

And here:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/stephen-harper-talking-to-opposition-about-next-steps-in-mali-mission-188059001.html

The NDP war mongers support the French intervention in Mali……….They’re even supportive of the miniscule Canadian role transporting “weapons of war” to the African nation………..

So why does/did the NDP support military action in Libya and Mail (Don’t even get me going on Taliban Jack and Darfur) but opposed military action in Iraq?

[bush_cheney2004]

Iraqi forces destroy the invading dogs !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI

[Guest Derek L]

Iraqi forces destroy the invading dogs !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI

The should have given him a late-night show.......he was great........

[Topaz]

You know at one time Hussein was a good friend to the US, so was the Taliban, they even visited Cheney at the WH. As I said before friend today, foe to tomorrrow, watch you back.

[bush_cheney2004]

You know at one time Hussein was a good friend to the US, so was the Taliban, they even visited Cheney at the WH. As I said before friend today, foe to tomorrrow, watch you back.

That's what Cheney said about PMs Chretien and Martin too !!

[WWWTT]

So why does/did the NDP support military action in Libya and Mail (Don’t even get me going on Taliban Jack and Darfur) but opposed military action in Iraq?

Different issue there Derek.

Go start another thread about Libya and/or Mali and if I choose to add comment we will then debate.

But you seem to always be for war,death and destruction so I know what side you will be on.

Until then lets get back to the shame of the US's failure,otherwise you are only posting "strawmen" in hopes to win some points in already well documented ongoing US failure!

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

That's what Cheney said about PMs Chretien and Martin too !!

I'm sure every Canadian leader(except Harper and Brian Mulroney) have said the same about the US.

If they didn't,they would lose votes in the next Canadian election!

WWWTT

[Guest Derek L]

Different issue there Derek.

Go start another thread about Libya and/or Mali and if I choose to add comment we will then debate.

But you seem to always be for war,death and destruction so I know what side you will be on.

Until then lets get back to the shame of the US's failure,otherwise you are only posting "strawmen" in hopes to win some points in already well documented ongoing US failure!

WWWTT

Isn’t this thread regarding “shame”? So the NDP should be ashamed for supporting military action, just as the Americans should be ashamed (In your’s and many others view) for their involvement in Iraq.

Quit simply, your refusal to discuss the NDP’s “lust for war” illustrates that you are hypocritical and as I suggested prior know little to nothing on the subject mater….As such, there is nothing really to “debate”.

[GostHacked]

Isn’t this thread regarding “shame”? So the NDP should be ashamed for supporting military action, just as the Americans should be ashamed (In your’s and many others view) for their involvement in Iraq.

Quit simply, your refusal to discuss the NDP’s “lust for war” illustrates that you are hypocritical and as I suggested prior know little to nothing on the subject mater….As such, there is nothing really to “debate”.

He did not say he would not discuss it, as it is a good topic, it just does not fit into this thread.

[Guest Derek L]

He did not say he would not discuss it, as it is a good topic, it just does not fit into this thread.

Why not? Like I said above, we’re talking about American involvement in conflicts in “The Rest of the World” and the associated “shame” that many should feel………

WWWTT speaks to “rightwing War Hawks” with a “lust for war, death and destruction” but he won’t attest to his own political party’s (And I will assume by extension of his own views) support for military intervention……Or was this thread simply intended to “attack” right-wing ideology and right-wing ideologues need not retort?

As I said, what is the difference between Iraq and Libya or past calls for withdrawing forces from Afghanistan and sending them to Darfur? What is the difference between the NDP supporting Canada’s role in equipping weapons to forces in Mail and the CIA doing likewise in other past and current conflicts?

[GostHacked]

Why not? Like I said above, we’re talking about American involvement in conflicts in “The Rest of the World” and the associated “shame” that many should feel………

And you wonder why threads get derailed so easily? The topic of this thread as posted by waldo reads...

Iraq Invasion - America's Shame... 10 years on

Forgive me for wanting to stay in context of this thread. I know I am not good at it myself at times.

[Guest Derek L]

And you wonder why threads get derailed so easily? The topic of this thread as posted by waldo reads...

Iraq Invasion - America's Shame... 10 years on

Forgive me for wanting to stay in context of this thread. I know I am not good at it myself at times.

Isn’t context in the eye of the beholder?

[GostHacked]

Isn’t context in the eye of the beholder?

Look at the title of the thread and then figure it out for yourself, it's not that hard really.

[Guest Derek L]

Look at the title of the thread and then figure it out for yourself, it's not that hard really.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/context

Definition of CONTEXT

1

: the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning

2

: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : environment, setting <the historical context of the war>

Examples of CONTEXT

1. We need to look at the event within the larger context of world history.
2. The book puts these events in their proper historical and social contexts.
3. We need to consider these events in context.
4. … it was Dickens who first used the word ‘detective’ in a literary context … —John Mullan, How Novels Work, 2006

I understand what the word means.....

[GostHacked]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/context

Definition of CONTEXT

1

: the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning

2

: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : environment, setting <the historical context of the war>

Examples of CONTEXT

1. We need to look at the event within the larger context of world history.
2. The book puts these events in their proper historical and social contexts.
3. We need to consider these events in context.
4. … it was Dickens who first used the word ‘detective’ in a literary context … —John Mullan, How Novels Work, 2006

I understand what the word means.....

So in what context does your bit about the NDP have anything to do with the title of this thread?

[Guest Derek L]

So in what context does your bit about the NDP have anything to do with the title of this thread?

It doesn’t…….The context is within the subject mater.

[Guest Derek L]

To offer further examples of "derailment" using your argument in relation to the thread title:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22478-iraq-invasion-americas-shame-10-years-on/page-8

GostHacked

Of course it was about oil. What was Afghanistan about? Freedom?? AHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHh ........

and WWWTT second response:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22478-iraq-invasion-americas-shame-10-years-on/page-9

WWWTT

3 numbers for you 9/11

WWWTT

again:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22478-iraq-invasion-americas-shame-10-years-on/page-10

GostHacked

You rarely say much. But remember you are either with us, or the terrorists. I am just trying to figure out who the real terrorists are these days.

What is more brutal than a country with a dictator? A country after that dictator has been removed by a foreign government. Maybe the new Iraq can be pitted more against Iran? Seems to be doing the opposite as the current Iraqi government is trying to make closer ties with Iran.

So in three posts Afghanistan, 9/11 and Iran have been brought up by those accusing me of derailment……..Clearly it’s a broad subject…….

[GostHacked]

To offer further examples of "derailment" using your argument in relation to the thread title:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22478-iraq-invasion-americas-shame-10-years-on/page-8

and WWWTT second response:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22478-iraq-invasion-americas-shame-10-years-on/page-9

again:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22478-iraq-invasion-americas-shame-10-years-on/page-10

So in three posts Afghanistan, 9/11 and Iran have been brought up by those accusing me of derailment……..Clearly it’s a broad subject…….

Still wondering how the NDP fits into all this.

[Guest Derek L]

Still wondering how the NDP fits into all this.

Their support for the action in Libya and Mail, and their past support for putting troops in Darfur.........

Bush/Cheney war in Iraq = Bad

Jack Layton/Mulcair war in Libya = Good

[waldo]

As I said, what is the difference between Iraq and Libya

notwithstanding your Dr. Distracto act and your attempted NDP wedge issue, do you not recognize a distinction in the supporting legal foundations, in the required UNSC legal authority for each?

[GostHacked]

Their support for the action in Libya and Mail, and their past support for putting troops in Darfur.........

Bush/Cheney war in Iraq = Bad

Jack Layton/Mulcair war in Libya = Good

Both are situations we need to stay out of.