Iraq Invasion - America's Shame... 10 years on

[Guest Derek L]

Right....but guess where the DU comes from ? Want some hockey pucks to go with that ?

http://youtu.be/CkhcjI5Pwi0

[Guest American Woman]

no - your false equivalencies will not prevail. You own this, no matter how hard you try to push your/your country's accountability and responsibility onto others! Own it!

My owning my country's actions doesn't erase Canada's involvement. "Coalition of the Willing to Help but Unwilling to be Seen Helping" sums it up perfectly. You must be very proud.

[waldo]

My owning my country's actions doesn't erase Canada's involvement. "Coalition of the Willing to Help but Unwilling to be Seen Helping" sums it up perfectly. You must be very proud.

very proud of Jean Chretien, indeed! Not only do you attempt to shift accountability/responsibility, you purposely conflate the invasion and the war, proper. Just another means for you to attempt to ease your conscious, I guess!

[Guest American Woman]

very proud of Jean Chretien, indeed! Not only do you attempt to shift accountability/responsibility, you purposely conflate the invasion and the war, proper. Just another means for you to attempt to ease your conscious, I guess!

Well good for you for being proud of your PM for lying to you.

[Guest American Woman]

I like!!

[Guest Derek L]

I like!!

Yeah, the wife and I "discovered" him in Whistler during the Olympics......... Though I won’t attempt to comment on a Canadian country singer speaking to special forces mounted on horses in Afghanistan …………..

[waldo]

Well good for you for being proud of your PM for lying to you.

no - PM Chretien did not lie to me... or the Canadian public. The lies you refuse to acknowledge are the neocon lies... the lies, the bait & switch, your country used to falsely substantiate the illegal invasion/war.

[Guest American Woman]

no - PM Chretien did not lie to me... or the Canadian public. The lies you refuse to acknowledge are the neocon lies... the lies, the bait & switch, your country used to falsely substantiate the illegal invasion/war.

I see. Saying Canada is staying out of the war, not involved, when Canada indeed wasn't staying out, but was involved from the very beginning, isn't lying in your country. I didn't realize you had a different definition of "lie" in Canada than we do here in the States.

[Guest American Woman]

Yeah, the wife and I "discovered" him in Whistler during the Olympics......... Though I won’t attempt to comment on a Canadian country singer speaking to special forces mounted on horses in Afghanistan …………..

I won't comment either - - except to say I really like him! Good "discovery" - and thanks for sharing.

[bush_cheney2004]

I see. Saying Canada is staying out of the war, not involved, when Canada indeed wasn't staying out, but was involved from the very beginning, isn't lying in your country. I didn't realize you had a different definition of "lie" in Canada than we do here in the States.

Touche ! Chretien and gang were finally turfed for their serial lying. Hello PM Harper !!

[waldo]

I see. Saying Canada is staying out of the war, not involved, when Canada indeed wasn't staying out, but was involved from the very beginning, isn't lying in your country. I didn't realize you had a different definition of "lie" in Canada than we do here in the States.

keep reaching for your false equivalency... it's all you've got! It's very telling you can't... you won't, accept responsibility... you outright refuse to take accountability for your country's action. As a example of your most brazen attempts to shift your guilt, ~1.5 million Americans served in Iraq... feel free to hold that up against the ~35 Canadian 'boots on the ground' that met a pre-existing commitment for exchange/transfer.

[bush_cheney2004]

keep reaching for your false equivalency... it's all you've got! It's very telling you can't... you won't, accept responsibility... you outright refuse to take accountability for your country's action.

Wrong.....many Americans (including this one) take total responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, and would do it again. There is no shame in our game...we ain't Canadian !!

[Guest American Woman]

keep reaching for your false equivalency... it's all you've got! It's very telling you can't... you won't, accept responsibility... you outright refuse to take accountability for your country's action. As a example of your most brazen attempts to shift your guilt, ~1.5 million Americans served in Iraq... feel free to hold that up against the ~35 Canadian 'boots on the ground' that met a pre-existing commitment for exchange/transfer.

Get back to me when you're actually aware of your country's involvement. I would suggest focusing less on unsuccessfully trying to make Americans feel shame - and concentrating more on what your country did. That would be a good start.

[waldo]

Get back to me when you're actually aware of your country's involvement. I would suggest focusing less on unsuccessfully trying to make Americans feel shame - and concentrating more on what your country did. That would be a good start.

no - I'm well aware... we've had several past MLW threads on this very point... with the usual suspects again trying to dramatically inflate Canada's participation. Again, your false equivalencies don't measure up... no UN resolution providing "force authorization" - no Canadian participation beyond pre-existing transfer/exchange commitments. If only you could concentrate more on what your country did. That would be a good start.

[Guest Derek L]

And here’s an interesting short doc on the RCN’s “non involvement” in the Gulf and Arabian Sea, the longest Canadian naval deployment since Korea:

Complete with careful criticisms of the Chrétien Governments (in)actions that forced the men and women of the RCN and RCAF to deploy with inadequate equipment (see the ancient Sea Kings, the mothballing of the Destroyer Huron and the retirement without replacement of the supply vessel Provider) coupled with his Government’s waffle on the Iraq mission. Clearly his Government’s actions posed a potential threat to Canadian Forces in the region, both by limiting us to filtered intelligence and the reliance on USN warships for area air defence………….

So why didn’t Jean withdrawal Canadian Forces from a theatre of operations that his Government was so quick to disparage for political expediency?

[bush_cheney2004]

...So why didn’t Jean withdrawal Canadian Forces from a theatre of operations that his Government was so quick to disparage for political expediency?

Because Chretien wanted it both ways, sitting on the fence and never taking the much stronger "principled position" of France, Germany, or Russia. Then Martin had the nerve to beg for oil services contracts after the invasion.

[Guest American Woman]

no - I'm well aware... we've had several past MLW threads on this very point... with the usual suspects again trying to dramatically inflate Canada's participation. Again, your false equivalencies don't measure up... no UN resolution providing "force authorization" - no Canadian participation beyond pre-existing transfer/exchange commitments. If only you could concentrate more on what your country did. That would be a good start.

Evidently there's a different definition of "aware" in your country, too. I'm going to have to get me a Canadian dictionary!

[bush_cheney2004]

Evidently there's a different definition of "aware" in your country, too. I'm going to have to get me a Canadian dictionary!

Many Canadians don't want to know when their forces are off to foreign lands to kill the locals. La la la la la...can't hear you !

[Guest Derek L]

Because Chretien wanted it both ways, sitting on the fence and never taking the much stronger "principled position" of France, Germany, or Russia. Then Martin had the nerve to beg for oil services contracts after the invasion.

Dare be no Canadian force in dat Persian Gulf eh

[Guest American Woman]

Many Canadians don't want to know when their forces are off to foreign lands to kill the locals. La la la la la...can't hear you !

I'm finding that out. If only they concentrated half as much on what their country does as what the U.S. does, perhaps their 'concern' could be properly channeled .....but I have the feeling some would excuse anything Canada does, as they continually point a finger at the U.S.

[waldo]

And here’s an interesting short doc on the RCN’s

clearly, distraction is your forte...

[waldo]

Then Martin had the nerve to beg for oil services contracts after the invasion.

no - your bunk was debunked! You were pressed to substantiate your claimed "begging"... one contract never panned out, associated rights for the other were sold before engagement. You need new... new... talking points!

[waldo]

If only they concentrated half as much on what their country does as what the U.S. does, perhaps their 'concern' could be properly channeled .....but I have the feeling some would excuse anything Canada does, as they continually point a finger at the U.S.

if only you concentrated half as much on what your country does/did as what you're willing to acknowledge it does/did... a very unique self-serving definition of U.S. awareness, hey?

[bush_cheney2004]

no - your bunk was debunked! You were pressed to substantiate your claimed "begging"... one contract never panned out, associated rights for the other were sold before engagement. You need new... new... talking points!

PM Martin begged Bush in Mexico...on his diplomatic knees. President Bush, being a nice guy, said, "OK Paul, you can bid on Iraq contracts, I'm still long on Albertan oil."

How did Canadians feel about this....any "shame" about groveling at Bush's feet after "standing up to the big bad Americans" ??

Edited March 25, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[WWWTT]

I'm finding that out. If only they concentrated half as much on what their country does as what the U.S. does, perhaps their 'concern' could be properly channeled .....but I have the feeling some would excuse anything Canada does, as they continually point a finger at the U.S.

Sounds like your throwing up your arms and are almost ready to admit that the US did a bad thing.

Just a couple more steps and you're there,you can do it AW!

WWWTT