Feds to try to axe citizenship of overseas Canadian terrorists: Kenney

[bush_cheney2004]

I would go where the money and opportunity exists, including but not limited to the USA.

Is that what "citizenship" means to you ? I work with foreign nationals all day long, but they don't necessarily want to become U.S. citizens just for the job opportunities. Usually there is much more at stake.

Not trivial at all, however you think so and that speak volumes.

I meant for it to speak volumes. I am not of the fashionable expat American or Canadian of convenience ilk.

Not relevant to anything posted but t'was expected.

Wrong...another member specifically posted voting. It's not all about you.

[Michael Hardner]

I meant for it to speak volumes. I am not of the fashionable expat American or Canadian of convenience ilk.

Wow. This is like the scene in Casablanca where Cpt. Renault discovers that Rick actually cares about something.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm sorry. Are you offended ?

No, just fascinated by the cavalier attitude towards citizenship.

I didn't create this system. Should I be offended if Manitobans move here without a passport ?

No more than Texans moving to Oklahoma. The "system" was created for some very good reasons.

I'm not sure where you're going. Come to Canada and I will welcome you. I hope you do the same when I move next door to you, or move back here.

Do as you please....I can find welcoming neighbours right at home...no need for international intrigue or drama.

Edited February 12, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

Wow. This is like the scene in Casablanca where Cpt. Renault discovers that Rick actually cares about something.

That's OK...it's an American movie.

[Moonlight Graham]

no. one slice of bread per day. no exceptions.

You seem to enjoy propounding tyrannical diktats. Fortunately for those of us who enjoy freedom, you're not in charge.

Geez man you're sounding like one of those Republican nutjobs now: Playing the "freedom" card (a completely subjective word), and comparing me to a tyrant. I'm simply stating my opinion, not saying if I were Prime Minister I'd push it through as law without debate or a democratic vote. If you disagree with my opinions, refute them with reasons, which I don't think you've done once in this thread.

Given that you're a Canadian expatriate in the US (to my knowledge), I wouldn't find it suprising if you had thought about the possibility of US citizenship, so you have probably have stakes in this debate that are different than most on this forum, therefore your opinions would be interesting.

[Moonlight Graham]

I think all you single citizens are just jealous. I don't have dual citizenship so no one can have it!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having dual citizenship in general, and if some of the extremely unlikely hypothetical scenarios here presented come to pass (drafts in both countries a person is a citizen of fighting each other, etc) then they should be dealt with on a case by case basis as appropriate.

Woops I guess you did somewhat respond to one of my claims. Why would I be jealous? Where else would I want to have any other citizenship? I suppose the US would be handy, I could vote in elections and work/live/travel there easier If i ever wanted, but that would be opportunistic citizenship, not true allegiance to that country, which is one of the circumstances I'm arguing against.

My hypotheticals are based in reality. The 2006 Lebenon War did happen, and Canada has been at war with other states in recent times (Afghanistan, Libya etc.). Your solution would be to change the rights of citizenship itself, which I'm open to discussing also, given you want things handled on a case-by-case basis, like you agreed with:

Wilber: Canada should have no obligation to dual citizens when they are residing in another country where they hold citizenship.

Bonam: A much more reasonable suggestion than disallowing dual citizenship, and worth discussing.

I don't have dual-citizenship, nor have I ever sought the need for it for whatever reason, so maybe I don't fully understand how it benefits Canada? One benefit for Canada I could see is that dual-citizenship would mean faster population growth for the country, which is good for the economy if quality/productive immigrants are allowed citizenship.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Moonlight Graham

[guyser]

Is that what "citizenship" means to you ? I work with foreign nationals all day long, but they don't necessarily want to become U.S. citizens just for the job opportunities. Usually there is much more at stake.

No, not at all. Didnt imply that either.

I would become a citizen of other countries for various reasons, all related to the time and situation I find myself. Maybe my wife's a Brit, so...I get a Brit passport.

Lots of valid reasons really.

I know one thing, I will die a Canuck,

I meant for it to speak volumes. I am not of the fashionable expat American or Canadian of convenience ilk.

Well, you missed...big time !

So you arent the fashionable expat Yank. Thats nice, plenty of your fellows are and for various and good reasons. Just because you cant see it means, you cant see it. Others can.

So what?

Wrong...another member specifically posted voting. It's not all about you.

Nope, still wrong and/or irrelevant. Oh ...and it was me.

If someone is going to invest in getting a citizenship, they may and likely will want to vote

[PIK]

Do any of you think this has something to do with Khadr who will being getting out of jail sometime in the future? The feds didn't want to bring him back to Canada and I'm wondering if they want to ex him out of Canada as soon as he's free??

The family probably has something to do with it. When the mother says she would be very happy if her kids became suicide bombers, the question is where, toronto or the ME. We need laws to get rid of these people. You can give up your citizenship, so really by saying what she said or going to war with our allies or against us, that should be the same thing, and we throw them out for good.

[guyser]

My hypotheticals are based in reality. The 2006 Lebenon War did happen,

I have looked but not found any evidence that Canada has to respond to CDN emergencies outside of our borders. I may be wrong, so please correct me should that not be true.

One of the tenets of this debate is the fact that our govts have responded to CDNS out of country assistance...ie lebanon.

If they dont, then the point is invalid.

[Moonlight Graham]

I have looked but not found any evidence that Canada has to respond to CDN emergencies outside of our borders. I may be wrong, so please correct me should that not be true.

I was under the assmption they had an obligation, maybe I'm wrong too.

[guyser]

. We need laws to get rid of these people. .

Until it is you and your family they decide to strip.

Think it thru pik.

No one is saying , nor said they like or even care for the Khadrs. I dont like them one bit, however some of them are born Canucks thus legally entitled to what you and I have.

If the govt could (and they cant) strip Omar of his citizenship, they can do it to you.

[guyser]

I was under the assmption they had an obligation, maybe I'm wrong too.

I too was under same assumption.

At best, the Consulate records the names, makes a visit (say if in jail) and records same. I believe they cannot hire a lawyer or other legal rep. If abused in the countries jail system I understand all they can do is file a formal protest.

[Moonlight Graham]

So that I can choose to live anywhere in the US or Canada without having to apply for visas and so on. Is there another advantage ?

I would have thought you'd be flattered, but then again you already know Canadians often want to move to the US.

Do you just want to live there & work there in a way convenient for you, or do you actually want to be a proud flag-waving red, white, and blue American?

Edited February 12, 2013 by Moonlight Graham

[bush_cheney2004]

No, not at all. Didnt imply that either.

Of course not...you just typed it.

I would become a citizen of other countries for various reasons, all related to the time and situation I find myself. Maybe my wife's a Brit, so...I get a Brit passport.

Lots of valid reasons really.

Good for you...citizenship for you is like a pet...get a new one whenever it suits you.

I know one thing, I will die a Canuck,

Don't you first have to live as a 'Canuck' ?

Well, you missed...big time !

So you arent the fashionable expat Yank. Thats nice, plenty of your fellows are and for various and good reasons. Just because you cant see it means, you cant see it. Others can.

So what?

I speak for myself...others can do as they please. I don't wake up each day trying to figure out how to game citizenship around the world.

Nope, still wrong and/or irrelevant. Oh ...and it was me.

Good....you admit to your mistake.

If someone is going to invest in getting a citizenship, they may and likely will want to vote

Why? Many actual citizens don't even bother to vote.

[guyser]

Do you just want to live there & work there in a way convenient for you, or do you actually want to be a proud flag-waving red, white, and blue American?

Since I said much the same thing, let me answer too.

If, and each situation is different, I were to find my job moved down there, or meet a Yank woman or some other scenario and figured I was staying for the definite future (years +) I would want to get it since I am paying taxes and want my say....how little that would mean in the scheme of things I get but still.

Id doubt I would ever become a proud flag waving red white and blue American....but then again I dont wave the red and white and be demonstrative like some Canucks do.

I am proud of my country, dont get me wrong, but I dont need and never did , to stand and wave the flag.

Jingoism is just so.....oh I dont know, just not me.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... You can give up your citizenship, so really by saying what she said or going to war with our allies or against us, that should be the same thing, and we throw them out for good.

Agreed.....many nations not only permit renouncing citizenship, but consider certain acts to be the same legal disposition.

[guyser]

Of course not...you just typed it.

Best re-read..

If you want to know, ask me. Dont figure out what I may think.

Good for you...citizenship for you is like a pet...get a new one whenever it suits you.

So...you are a pet? You have a citizenship afterall.

Here s a biscuit rover.

Don't you first have to live as a 'Canuck' ?

Have and am all my life. Some things may change, I keep an open mind.

Never figured you to be xenophobic .

I speak for myself...others can do as they please. I don't wake up each day trying to figure out how to game citizenship around the world.

Too rich, spend a good day of posts trying to insult or otherwise impugn peoples interest or acceptance that they may be open to hold another countries citizenship. And game..?....nice try , no one is gaming the idea around here.

'Speak for myself'

Good....you admit to your mistake.

Aww.....mr irrelevant is upset.....

Why? Many actual citizens don't even bother to vote.

Well hey, dont stop that irrelevance angle ok ?

Holy crap, xenophobic and myopic. Nice combo

[Michael Hardner]

No, just fascinated by the cavalier attitude towards citizenship.

Fascinated seems like a code word here. It does seem to ... affect you. Why is that ?

[Michael Hardner]

Do you just want to live there & work there in a way convenient for you, or do you actually want to be a proud flag-waving red, white, and blue American?

I want to live there and work there in a way convenient for me.

Do I want to be "proud" ? I find that to be an odd question. Would you like to be proud of something ? Maybe give me an example here.

[guyser]

Fascinated seems like a code word here. It does seem to ... affect you. Why is that ?

xenophobia, myopia , ...and thats for starters.

Someone sure is cranky and upset.

[bush_cheney2004]

Best re-read..

If you want to know, ask me. Dont figure out what I may think.

No...this game is played with a keyboard and mouse.

So...you are a pet? You have a citizenship afterall.

Here s a biscuit rover.

I'd rather die as a real dog than a pretend cat.

Have and am all my life. Some things may change, I keep an open mind.

But no big deal if you hadn't, right. After all, citizenship is is just a legal status to be exploited, right ?

Never figured you to be xenophobic .

I'm also monogamous....how boring, eh ?

Too rich, spend a good day of posts trying to insult or otherwise impugn peoples interest or acceptance that they may be open to hold another countries citizenship. And game..?....nice try , no one is gaming the idea around here.

I'm not insulting anybody unless they wish to be insulted.

[bush_cheney2004]

Fascinated seems like a code word here. It does seem to ... affect you. Why is that ?

It's fascinating that some Canadians here do not value their citizenship over another depending on personal advantage, while others do. It's just part of the longer narrative of what it means to be "Canadian". Maybe it means to work every possible international angle for career and better weather.

[guyser]

No...this game is played with a keyboard and mouse.

Yup

But reading comprehension is key...and you havent got it right in this instance.

I'd rather die as a real dog than a pretend cat.

LOL !

Xenophobia rises again.

But no big deal if you hadn't, right. After all, citizenship is is just a legal status to be exploited, right ?

Not at all. Some people can get another citizenship through marriage. some through birth.

The facts dont line up with the real dogs myopic thinking .

I'm also monogamous....how boring, eh ?

Oh goody for you. Add in mypoic and the triumvirate is complete

I'm not insulting anybody unless they wish to be insulted.

Oh right....of course not.

Open your eyes, plenty of reasons why some, and gasp... including americans, can get or have dual citizenship.

[guyser]

It's fascinating that some Canadians here do not value their citizenship over another depending on personal advantage, while others do. .

Well, no one said that, expressed that so.....wanna try again?

[guyser]

I got a great idea.....why not say "I dont get it" and leave it at that.

You dont,and you wont.

Really easy.