RW Authoritarians Rolling back Cannabis decriminalization in Canada

[guyser]

IT may not directly cause, but there is a definite link between mental illness and substance abuse of all kinds.

So now it is "may not directly cause' when you earlier opined it did cause.

[guyser]

Yup. Semantics. These boys will grab at anything to justify hitting the bonger again. You know what they say, beware a drowning man

Understandably you dont grasp that those of us debating against you are not the ones drowning and we are consistent.

You and at least one other flip flop.

[Guest Manny]

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[guyser]

I have neither flipped, nor flopped. My arguments stand absolute.

Except for

eating pot

causing schizo

having to go to the hospital

.....should I look for more, these are off the top if my head.

[BubberMiley]

One way to find out is to expose yourself to the substances that trip the switch. This is the future that guyser has in store for the children of North America.

Nonetheless, even if everything you say is true, how does criminalization solve anything? There are plenty of dangerous substances that are freely accessible on the open market. All criminalization does is leave this particular "dangerous substance" unregulated and accessible to every junior high school student in the country. Why is that acceptable to you?

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[Boges]

Nonetheless, even if everything you say is true, how does criminalization solve anything? There are plenty of dangerous substances that are freely accessible on the open market. All criminalization does is leave this particular "dangerous substance" unregulated and accessible to every junior high school student in the country. Why is that acceptable to you?

But if everyone is allowed to grow their own plants, how can it possibly be regulated? That's the initial premise of this thread.

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[GostHacked]

I have neither flipped, nor flopped. My arguments stand absolute.

Laughable.

We can argue over semantics all day if you want to. I can show that certain chemicals trigger the condition of cancer but only if a person who is expeosed has some "precursors". Or genetics, or what have you.

The precursors are there already, and no one knows who has got it. One way to find out is to expose yourself to the substances that trip the switch. This is the future that guyser has in store for the children of North America.

Well smoke a J or two and let us know how you turn out. Who knows, you might be one of those that have a predisposition to schizophrenia.

Maybe you should look into the drawbacks of putting kids on certain types of prescription medication. Some of the concotion of pills that are doled out to the kids can will and have caused many issues. Pot is not even on the radar compared to the problems of these prescription drugs.

Do you really think that Little Johnny who is 10 years old need to be on Ritalin? If so .. why? And what kinds of problems will that produce down the road?

[GostHacked]

But if everyone is allowed to grow their own plants, how can it possibly be regulated? That's the initial premise of this thread.

How is it regulated now? I always laugh when they say that pot is a controlled substance. It's not the cops or the government that is controlling it.

[BubberMiley]

But if everyone is allowed to grow their own plants, how can it possibly be regulated?

Permits.

[Boges]

How is it regulated now? I always laugh when they say that pot is a controlled substance. It's not the cops or the government that is controlling it.

But that would be the goal if it was legalized. It'd be kind of annoying if I have to pay excessive tax on cigars and single malt scotch but could just grow a plant in my basement for free. I guess in theory permits would work but then you're criminalizing people that want to grow pot at home without a permit, basically making it would be like Moonshine, like I said at the beginning of this thread.

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[guyser]

. I guess in theory permits would work but then you're criminalizing people that want to grow pot at home without a permit, basically making it would be like Moonshine, like I said at the beginning of this thread.

Not entirely, although getting a tax stamp or some such permit would be cumbersome but then the tax could be paid.

US Moonshiners can get permits and be totally legal

[Rocky Road]

So now it is "may not directly cause' when you earlier opined it did cause.

I say so because there may not be enough evidence to support a direct causal link,

that doesn't change my opinion, I still believe that it there is a direct causal link between mental illness and substance abuse.

Like I said earlier.

[guyser]

I say so because there may not be enough evidence to support a direct causal link,

that doesn't change my opinion, I still believe that it there is a direct causal link between mental illness and substance abuse.

Like I said earlier.

And you say you work in mental health?

Yea....not buying it as you would know better.

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[guyser]

Hey manny, if you could follow a fucking debate without jamming it up with non-sense, then maybe you would understand.

But no, you want to ascribe the worst habits of a sub group to all.

Im done. Cant debate with religious pious ignorant people.

[BubberMiley]

This is sad. I mean if you guys represent the best argument that "people who use illegal drugs" have in putting their case forward, you've utterly failed.

You said yourself you are for decriminalization when faced with real arguments.

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[Rocky Road]

And you say you work in mental health?

Yea....not buying it as you would know better.

It's the truth.

I see substance abuse quite often.

More importantly I deal with the people whose lives it affects.

You think your mental health is ironclad but its Not.

[BubberMiley]

Mine is the voice of opposition to your leftist liberal ideas.

No, it's not. You support decriminalization.

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[eyeball]

One thing I agree with is that you have to be consistent.

Substance abuse of all kinds is a major problem, tobacco, alcohol, hard drugs, pot.

Why are you wasting time talking about things that are already outlawed? There are only two drugs left and one of them is at the very top of the list in terms of the harm users inflict on others.

[cybercoma]

This is sad. I mean if you guys represent the best argument that "people who use illegal drugs" have in putting their case forward, you've utterly failed.

This coming from the guy who says betsy wins her arguments.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

I give up. You don't seem to understand that correlation does not mean causation. You're arguing that pot causes mental illness, then you're posting research about correlation. To give you an example that is a reductio ad absurdum, what you're saying is that putting on a raincoat causes it to rain because you often see people wearing raincoats when it's raining.

Corporations live of this correlation vs causation stuff. It's not good for you.

Potheads are useless people. They are lazy, lack ambition... Except to legalize pot.