So NDPers, What do you think of this? Ontario Lib-NDP Coalition

[Boges]

http://www.thestar.c...berals#comments

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath is pointedly not ruling out a coalition government with the successor to Liberal Premier Dalton McGuinty.

As the Liberals get set to elect a new leader Jan. 25-27 at a Maple Leaf Gardens convention, Horwath on Tuesday addressed swirling rumours that she would work with Kathleen Wynne if the Don Valley West MPP wins the http://www.thestar.c...eralsleadershipcontest.

“My preference is to sit down with whoever is elected and to get some things done for Ontarians,” she said, noting her party extracted concessions from McGuinty in last spring’s budget to ensure the minority government didn’t fall.

“I’m not overly interested in the details of what that looks like in terms of structure,” said Horwath when asked repeatedly about a coalition government.

“I don’t think you necessarily have to have a structure to do that . . . you just need goodwill,” the New Democrat said.

She was willing to force an election last Summer if Dalton didn't give in to specific demands like a 2% tax on people making $500,000 or more.

The NDP have been killing the Liberals over the treatment of the teachers since September, now they want to be buddies? What will that cost? revoking the imposed Bill 115 contract?

Horvath must really think Hudak is a legit threat if she's willing to actually form a coalition with the Liberals.

Kathleen Wynne is the more leftist of the likely winners of the Liberal leadership race. Sandra Pupatello is seen as more of a centrist. They are very close when it comes to committed delegates (25% to 27%). I doubt Pupatello will play ball with the NDP but Wynne or Gerrard Kennedy might.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Boges

[Topaz]

Many voters don't like Hudak and would vote NDP btween the two. I'm not sure if views on the Liberals will change with a new leader. so the coffee shop views are voters would vote NDP and see what she could do. She can't be any worse than the other two parties.

[Mighty AC]

Three liberal terms and the anti-union stance of Hudak may create the none of the above sentiment that elected the disastrous Rae government.

[Boges]

Many voters don't like Hudak and would vote NDP btween the two. I'm not sure if views on the Liberals will change with a new leader. so the coffee shop views are voters would vote NDP and see what she could do. She can't be any worse than the other two parties.

If that was true, then why would the NDP be wanting to play nice with the potential Liberal leader? They should be craving an election too. This Liberal leader won't be weaker then before they've had a chance to sit in the Legislator for very long.

[punked]

If that was true, then why would the NDP be wanting to play nice with the potential Liberal leader? They should be craving an election too. This Liberal leader won't be weaker then before they've had a chance to sit in the Legislator for very long.

Because sometimes you need to put your province before party. I know you don't understand being a Conservative but that is way the party has always been.

[Boges]

Because sometimes you need to put your province before party. I know you don't understand being a Conservative but that is way the party has always been.

I think the Province is ready to be rid themselves of the Liberals at this point.

The whole reason the House was prorogued was that the opposition was trying to hold them accountable for the Power Plant fiasco. I hope the NDP will continue to demand answers regarding those decisions.

If Bill 115 is a non-starter for the NDP then the Liberals and NDP have an immediate void that's going to be tough to fill. That is of course assuming the new Liberal leader will hold the line on the treatment of teachers so far.

[Sleipnir]

The Liberals have a better chance of getting in coalition with the Conservatives than with the NDP'ers

[WWWTT]

If that was true, then why would the NDP be wanting to play nice with the potential Liberal leader? They should be craving an election too. This Liberal leader won't be weaker then before they've had a chance to sit in the Legislator for very long.

I wouldn't look to far into this.

The liberals can play games with the conservatives to hold onto power just the same

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

The Liberals have a better chance of getting in coalition with the Conservatives than with the NDP'ers

Possibly.

I would put the odds at 50/50.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Because sometimes you need to put your province before party. I know you don't understand being a Conservative but that is way the party has always been.

Yep that's what Bob Rae did and what did the Ontario voters do?

Pay back's a bitch!

WWWTT

[Boges]

I don't mind agreeing with the government on an issue by issue basis. Last year the NDP propped up the budget and the PCs propped up Bill 115.

But Horvath has been killing the government (as she should have been) for the past few months for hi-jacking democracy by shutting down the house.

I'd like to know what Horvath wants to new Liberal leader to do? Is it about Bill 115? They got a lot what they wanted in the last budget from Dalton.

Edited January 15, 2013 by Boges

[Topaz]

Funny thing about leaders, you can't find nowdays many members of a party to see the views of the party the same way. As far as the NDP, she so different from Rae and the new leader of the Liberal, is going to be different from Dalton, the only person that seems the same is Hudak, like Harris. Some liberals say they would throw out the contract with the teachers and start all over again. So, one can't say well Rae did this, so she'll be just like him but that isn't necessarily true.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Hudak needs to put some "softer" policies out there if he wants to get elected.

NDP can't get elected in Ontario right now. Our system requires focused support to win.

If the NDP have 35% across the province and PC's 32, Libs 30.

PC's are focused in Rural/Suburb, and win there. 40 vs 35.

LIBS are focused in urban centers, and win there 40 vs 35

Even if the NDP have the highest popular support, they can still come in third. They'd need a really big orange wave to take power.

[Boges]

The battleground will be the 905/suburban 416.

In the 2011 Federal election it went almost exclusively to the CPC and in the Provincial election the Liberals took a good portion of those seats.

Those aren't places the NDP have ever really done well.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Boges