Mass shooting

[Argus]

In doing so, it defuses the argument made by the hysterical anti-gun lobby….

Not really. The real problem is no matter how carefully they would check, for example, Kimmy, that wouldn't account for her son being bananas and taking her guns to kill people with, or the kid next door breaking in and stealing them and selling them to another banana.

[Argus]

I'm still wondering how Vancouver ended up having so many more incidents of murder per capita than my small city. Both cities have drug users. So what happened to people in Vancouver? Is it something in the water? Perhaps it's the drug culture that's rampant. If not that, then what?

Immigrants.

[Argus]

What colour are the Bacon brothers again?

An exception does not excuse the basic thesis.

[The_Squid]

Immigrants

Horse shit. Plus, you are taking the old bait and switch tactics from someone who doesn't want to talk about the topic at hand.

An exception does not excuse the basic thesis.

They are not the exception....

[Guest Derek L]

But clearly something went wrong. We want to find out what it was and stop it again. That is the same here. Clearly, something in society is very wrong when dozens are killed by a psycho. Therefore, we need to look at how to stop that from happening again. The two clear and obvious focuses would be on mental health treatment for crazy people, and making it more difficult for them to gain access to assault weapons.

Would the Bushmaster had of killed those children without the “crazy person”? Of course not………….I fully agree that “crazy people” shouldn’t have guns.

[Wilber]

Would the Bushmaster had of killed those children without the “crazy person”? Of course not………….I fully agree that “crazy people” shouldn’t have guns.

That's the thing, he didn't. They weren't his.

[Guest Derek L]

Not really. The real problem is no matter how carefully they would check, for example, Kimmy, that wouldn't account for her son being bananas and taking her guns to kill people with, or the kid next door breaking in and stealing them and selling them to another banana.

Hence the reason for safe storage laws to mitigate such a possibility................My question would be why the dead mother allowed her now dead son, a son (as it’s becoming apparent) that had “social issues” which played apart in said parent pulling said child out of public schools, access to firearms…………If the gun had of been in a monitored safe, said event would likely have never happened with the mothers firearms…………..To expound upon said thought process, if a violent mentally disturbed person were locked up in a puzzle factory, that too would lesson such occurrences.

[Guest Derek L]

That's the thing, he didn't. They weren't his.

I believe you mentioned prior that you too are a gun owner, if this is the case, I’d assume you follow the safe storage laws outlined in the Canadian Firearms Act………….I would suggest, much to the ire of many American gun owners, that Safe Storage laws coupled with Licensing, would help mitigate the “problem” of gun deaths associated with legal firearms and their owners.

[Black Dog]

An exception does not excuse the basic thesis.

The basic thesis is wrong. There are ethnic gangs in Vancouver. There are multi-ethnic gangs like the United Nations. There are predominantely white gangs like the Hells Angels.

[Black Dog]

I believe you mentioned prior that you too are a gun owner, if this is the case, I’d assume you follow the safe storage laws outlined in the Canadian Firearms Act………….I would suggest, much to the ire of many American gun owners, that Safe Storage laws coupled with Licensing, would help mitigate the “problem” of gun deaths associated with legal firearms and their owners.

It's nice to see that you grasp, on some level, that even basic firearm safety regulations would be considered by many U.S. projectile weapon enthusiasts to be a grave assault on their fundamental rights. It shows the gulf here.

[Guest Derek L]

It's nice to see that you grasp, on some level, that even basic firearm safety regulations would be considered by many U.S. projectile weapon enthusiasts to be a grave assault on their fundamental rights. It shows the gulf here.

Perhaps it would, but it would also be less decisive and more feasible to implement then “banning guns”…………Like CCW permits, licensing could be implemented at the State/County level under the same meme as “Shall issue” CCW permits, which means said applicant will get his licence unless the State/County can prove that he shouldn’t have it……..

What would compliance levels look like? I’d assume similar to those that carry a concealed weapon legally…………As for legality and the Second Amendment, since it would be assumed that each applicant would receive his or her licence unless it can be proved that they constitute a threat, it wouldn’t impinge upon a citizen’s right from possessing firearms, be they flintlocks, bolt actions or AR-15s.

[Black Dog]

Perhaps it would, but it would also be less decisive and more feasible to implement then “banning guns”…………Like CCW permits, licensing could be implemented at the State/County level under the same meme as “Shall issue” CCW permits, which means said applicant will get his licence unless the State/County can prove that he shouldn’t have it……..

What would compliance levels look like? I’d assume similar to those that carry a concealed weapon legally…………As for legality and the Second Amendment, since it would be assumed that each applicant would receive his or her licence unless it can be proved that they constitute a threat, it wouldn’t impinge upon a citizen’s right from possessing firearms, be they flintlocks, bolt actions or AR-15s.

No one is talking with any seriousness about "banning guns". That's a gun nut delusion. But even if some sort of ban on certain types of weapons were under discussion, the mere fact that some people think the idea of not being able to buy a Barrett 50 calibre sniper rifle or an AR 15 assault weapon is a gross violation of human rights shows how far gone your brothers in arms down south are.

[Guest Derek L]

No one is talking with any seriousness about "banning guns". That's a gun nut delusion. But even if some sort of ban on certain types of weapons were under discussion, the mere fact that some people think the idea of not being able to buy a Barrett 50 calibre sniper rifle or an AR 15 assault weapon is a gross violation of human rights shows how far gone your brothers in arms down south are.

I disagree, you’re reverting back to the gun and not the person………….The vast majority of American gun owners should be able to purchase .50 Calibre rifles and AR-15s or whatever the hell they please……You exclude the tiny fraction that are bat shit crazy, and those guns owned by the overwhelming majority are a moot point………..

For the record, in gun sensitive Canada, .50 Calibre rifles and AR-15s, are perfectly legal to own with the required licenses…….Like I said, it’s the person, not the gun.

[Black Dog]

I disagree, you’re reverting back to the gun and not the person………….The vast majority of American gun owners should be able to purchase .50 Calibre rifles and AR-15s or whatever the hell they please……You exclude the tiny fraction that are bat shit crazy, and those guns owned by the overwhelming majority are a moot point………...

I don't agree. The only way to ensure the batshit crazy don't get these weapons is to not have them on the market. there's no good reason for anyone to own a 50 calibre sniper rifle or similar weapon.

[Guest Derek L]

I don't agree. The only way to ensure the batshit crazy don't get these weapons is to not have them on the market. there's no good reason for anyone to own a 50 calibre sniper rifle or similar weapon.

How many .50 calibre rifles or AR-15s have been used to wipe out classrooms of children in Canada? Here, a person only requires a basic firearms licence to purchase a .50 calibre rifle, and a restricted licence to purchase the exact same model Bushmaster AR clone used in the shooting……………..What’s the difference between a Canadian owning these guns and an American?

[bush_cheney2004]

..What’s the difference between a Canadian owning these guns and an American?

Cheaper in the USA !

[Black Dog]

How many .50 calibre rifles or AR-15s have been used to wipe out classrooms of children in Canada?

Don't care.

Here, a person only requires a basic firearms licence to purchase a .50 calibre rifle, and a restricted licence to purchase the exact same model Bushmaster AR clone used in the shooting……………..What’s the difference between a Canadian owning these guns and an American?

Do you think I think those weapons should be legal here but not in the States?

[Guest Derek L]

Cheaper in the USA !

You bet they are.............The only real limitations here are wives that don’t appreciate a gun that costs $6 a round……..

[Guest Derek L]

Don't care.

Do you think I think those weapons should be legal here but not in the States?

And that is why you'll never see compromise on the issue, and Canadians and Americans will continue to purchase and own AR-15s and .50 Calibre rifles…………Yours is an argument based upon emotional conjecture and lacking in fact, well expounding upon the concerns of those gun owners that feel you just wish to take guns away from honest, law abiding people.

[bush_cheney2004]

You bet they are.............The only real limitations here are wives that don’t appreciate a gun that costs $6 a round……..

I don't like hang-fires or alibis. Don't like reloads, hotter loads, or cheaper aluminum cartridge cases either. Pay for the good stuff.

[GostHacked]

Horse shit. Plus, you are taking the old bait and switch tactics from someone who doesn't want to talk about the topic at hand.

Have you been to Vancouver?

Immigrants.

It's part of the problem. A corrupt police force in Vancouver is also to blame. Gang violence /drugs are another problem.

[Black Dog]

And that is why you'll never see compromise on the issue, and Canadians and Americans will continue to purchase and own AR-15s and .50 Calibre rifles…………Yours is an argument based upon emotional conjecture and lacking in fact, well expounding upon the concerns of those gun owners that feel you just wish to take guns away from honest, law abiding people.

What facts do I need? What practical reason does Joe Citizen need for owning military grade weapons? Why not flamethrowers? Tanks? And of course I want to take guns away from honest law-abiding people. Because every gun owner is honest and law abiding until they aren't, at which point it's too late.

[Guest Derek L]

I don't like hang-fires or alibis. Don't like reloads, hotter loads, or cheaper aluminum cartridge cases either. Pay for the good stuff.

Truth be told, I prefer my Remington 700 .338 Lapua, a third the cost and a cartridge with similar ballistic performance as a .50 BMG………

Not a huge AR-15 aficionado, I like my Italian Princesses, but just found this “deal” from a store I purchase from in Manitoba:

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/6476/Bushmaster-XM-15-M4-556-Nato-16-with-Red-Dot-Sight.aspx

Just under $1200 with the Red Dot..........Not bad for a Bushmaster

They're sold out of the Armalite bang sticks though...........

[Black Dog]

What are we talking about here? Two inches? Three?

[Guest Derek L]

What facts do I need? What practical reason does Joe Citizen need for owning military grade weapons? Why not flamethrowers? Tanks? And of course I want to take guns away from honest law-abiding people. Because every gun owner is honest and law abiding until they aren't, at which point it's too late.

What's a military grade weapon? An AR-15 certainly isn’t used by most Western militaries, but on the same token, a Remington 870 Wingmaster shotgun can be found in most police cars and modern rifle platoons…………Or what about the bolt action Nagant that Kimmy wants to buy? Militaries have been using those for decades, but it resembles a water logged fence post (Sorry Kimmy)

So what are “military grade weapons”?