First nations patiences waning

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Eating fish broth every day is not a hunger strike.

you live on 160 calories a day for a few days and come back and say that again Edited December 23, 2012 by login

[jacee]

Whatever happened happened many generations ago and has nothing to do with me. If they didn't like the treaties then they shouldn't have signed them, simple as that.

It's our governments that don't like the treaties because they entitle First Nations to a say and a share in resource development and revenues.

You're barking up the wrong tree Merlin.

The issue isn't an old one from the past, but a new one from the Supreme Court interpretations and rulings - ie law - and our governments are breaking the law by failing to consult and to accommodate Aboriginal and treaty rights.

[Sleipnir]

you live on 160 calories a day for a few days and come back and say that again

It depends on how much broth you're eating, so saying 160 can be inaccurate. One question I have is how much activity is she doing during her so call hunger strike? Beside, as long as she's drinking water, her body will convert fat into energy to keep her going. She seems to have quite a number of adipose tissue.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Sleipnir

[Rocky Road]

Fasting is actually very healthy

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It depends on how much broth you're eating, so saying 160 can be inaccurate. One question I have is how much activity is she doing during her so call hunger strike? Beside, as long as she's drinking water, her body will convert fat into energy to keep her going. She seems to have quite a number of adipose tissue.

It depends on how much broth you're eating, so saying 160 can be inaccurate. One question I have is how much activity is she doing during her so call hunger strike? Beside, as long as she's drinking water, her body will convert fat into energy to keep her going. She seems to have quite a number of adipose tissue.

that is about 1kg worth of broth

try it and come back

lets see who breaks first spence has a few days on you now

Edited December 23, 2012 by login

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Fasting is actually very healthy

a day fast is good after a short time muscle and other materials degrade

a starvation diet is not physically beneficial to partake in

healthy balanced diet thatmeets your bodys need is physically healthy

[Canuckistani]

Well, we'd better see the pounds dropping off her, or I will suspect she's following the breatharian leader's diet plan. (Claim you don't need food to survive, then be caught dining in a fancy restaurant.) Her broth will probably have all sorts of bits floating in it, will be my bet.

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Well, we'd better see the pounds dropping off her, or I will suspect she's following the breatharian leader's diet plan. (Claim you don't need food to survive, then be caught dining in a fancy restaurant.) Her broth will probably have all sorts of bits floating in it, will be my bet.

an approx 23000 calory deficit is 5-10lbs she should be loosing about half a lb a day to up to a lb.

lengthy fasts are not physically healthy

it is maiming though because it will cause skin disfigurement

it is healthy to loose only a couple lbs of fat a month

also water intake has a maximum as too much water can be lethal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Edited December 23, 2012 by login

[Canuckistani]

an approx 23000 calory deficit is 5-10lbs she should be loosing about half a lb a day to up to a lb.

lengthy fasts are not physically healthy

it is maiming though because it will cause skin disfigurement

No, real fasts for long periods of time will cause permanent damage. He body, her choice tho. As I say, I bet that broth turns out to have all sorts of bits floating in it, and she'll do just fine.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Canuckistani

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its not just spence fasting

http://rabble.ca/new...ger-strike-mean

it is a rallypoint for the protest movement

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[Sleipnir]

a day fast is good after a short time muscle and other materials degrade

a starvation diet is not physically beneficial to partake in

healthy balanced diet thatmeets your bodys need is physically healthy

Fat gets converted to energy during periods of starvation providing you get sufficient amount of water.

Theresa Spence isn't exactly a pear shape figure. So the amount of adipose tissue she has plus eating fish broth everyday should sustain her for quite a while.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Sleipnir

[jacee]

We all have a stake in success of aboriginals

In February 2010, the Centre for the Study of Living Standards released a report entitled Investing in Aboriginal Education in Canada: An Economic Perspective. This report took a hard look at the state of aboriginal youth, both socially and economically. The conclusion of the research was this: If the education and labour market outcome gaps between the aboriginal and general Canadian population are completely closed by 2026, the cumulative benefits for Canada are estimated at $400 billion. At total of $179 billion of that can be attributed directly to increased educational attainment within the aboriginal population, and the cumulative effect on the federal government’s balance sheets is an estimated $115 billion.

This report makes it clear, however, that the only way to attain this level of success is by addressing both the educational and social issues that are facing the aboriginal population in Canada. These issues are not isolated, and must be dealt with in tandem in order for real improvements to take place.

Aboriginal youth under the age of 30 are the fastest growing segment of our population. These young Canadians are the individuals most capable of counteracting the projected labour market shortage we will be facing in the next 20 years and the youth who have the most potential to ensure the future of Canada is bright and that our economy keeps growing.

So many people seem unwilling to listen to any discussion involving investing in the future of our aboriginal nations, stating that this is a problem for aboriginal communities to deal with, and that the rest of Canada shouldn’t be trying to fix aboriginal issues. My response is this: Aboriginal issues are Canadian issues. The long-term social and economic success of Canada is intrinsically tied to our aboriginal peoples and the success of aboriginal peoples requires addressing both social and economic issues.

I think we should keep in mind that #IdleNoMore isn't about the Chiefs.

It's by the women, due to their responsibility to protect the earth and the children.

It's for the youth, organized by the youth.

The ones round dancing, flash mobbing, marching, rallying in thousands in snowstorms ... That's the youth.

Teachins at highway blockades ... railway demonstrations ... they have a lot of energy and spirit.

Peace Power ... and Right

Harper needs to face Aboriginal youth.

These generations ... overrepresented in colleges now ... aren't fooled by political scams.

And they aren't bowed by threats either.

And they're not going away.

Edited December 23, 2012 by jacee

[Smallc]

It seems then, like my solution is the way to go.

[Rocky Road]

Solidarity is always good.

[jacee]

It seems then, like my solution is the way to go.

Have you talked to Aboriginal youth about that?

Let me know ...

[Smallc]

Have you talked to Aboriginal youth about that?

Let me know ...

If they grew up outside of the reserve, they tend to agree. If they didn't, they don't. What the article says is that Aboriginal people need to participate better in the economy. To do that, they need to be participate in the society, and follow the jobs. Seems pretty simple.

[scribblet]

Maybe the real issue is to deflect from the issue of native financial accountability because over the last 5 years the CPC have:

1: Completed the Nunavik Inuit Land Claim Agreement

2: gender equality for native women

3. signed Indian residential agreement & set u8p a reconciliation commission

4. settled over 800 land claims agreements which is more than any previous fed. gov't.

5. Announced a Northern Regional Development Economic Agency

6. formal parliamentarty apology

the 2012 budget also gives additional 707.7 million to be invested in stimulous for northern communities

Maybe it's more about First Nations entitlements and the ensuing responsibilities to those entitlements. Maybe it is time for aboriginals to become full and equal citizens who will have the same opportunities all Canadians have. Maybe it's time to end race based preferential treatment which will give aboriginals those opportunities.

[Smallc]

Yeah, I really can't figure out why they all hate Harper. Maybe because they don't know.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Smallc

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Fat gets converted to energy during periods of starvation providing you get sufficient amount of water.

Theresa Spence isn't exactly a pear shape figure. So the amount of adipose tissue she has plus eating fish broth everyday should sustain her for quite a while.

surivival is not health buddy. it is the bare minumum of existence, not business as usual. why dont you try a liquid diet for two weeks and come back and post something intelligent.

a lot more than fat gets converted.

the calory intake is limited, meaning that the body eats itself, it is not just fat but muscle tissue including the heart.

stress can cause additional health effects, risk of heart attack and other issues.

liquid diet is a starvation diet, it is not good for ones physical health so do not try to make two weeks of fasting look like a health endevour. It is not.

ffs it is an extreme do not make it look like a diet.

she could die or suffer a serious medical problem that may be lifelong.

patronizing the situation is just more rascist bs, if this were some mayor it would be done in minutes

is there some reason why stephen harper refuses to speak with her.

All Canadian citizens have the right to redress or else the government looses legitimacy it is a constitutional right of all Canadian citizens.

It seems government only wants to talk when it wants to rape the natives.

Edited December 23, 2012 by login

[Sleipnir]

surivival is not health buddy. it is the bare minumum of existence, not business as usual. why dont you try a liquid diet for two weeks and come back and post something intelligent.

You seem to want to avoid the conversation altogether.

the calory intake is limited, meaning that the body eats itself, it is not just fat but muscle tissue including the heart.

Before the body eats itself, it convert the available fat to carbohydrates, something that Theresa seem to have a lot of.

liquid diet is a starvation diet, it is not good for ones physical health so do not try to make two weeks of fasting look like a health endevour.

Liquid or solid, you're still consuming.

she could die or suffer a serious medical problem that may be lifelong.

That would be her problem.

is there some reason why stephen harper refuses to speak with her.

Actually it wasn't smart on Theresa's part to go on a hunger strike just before the parliament end their session for the winter holidays. Beside, she had refused to meet government officials so why would Harper want to meet someone who refuse to see them?

All Canadian citizens have the right to redress or else the government looses legitimacy it is a constitutional right of all Canadian citizens.

Oh please this ain't Egypt or Iran.

[jacee]

Firmly Backing Idle No More, Atleo Says Indigenous Peoples' Moment Has Come

“We will not stand down as this country seeks to attempt to develop $650 billion in natural resources,” Atleo told reporters in a conference call on Friday morning. “Our people are saying that we will stand up for the waters, for the air, for the medicines, for the animals, for the land and the plants; that despite legislative efforts that we have an inherited responsibility and in the case treaty, treaty is paramount over parliament, over laws that Canada might pass.”

He promised that aboriginals would “carry out coordinated legal challenges and responses, but we will also take this to the Canadian public as well as on the international level to the United Nations and the Organization of American States to see the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples’ recognition of our right to free prior and information consent and the implementation of Section 35 [of the Canadian Constitution, which protects aboriginal and treaty rights] are upheld as well as the commitments articulated at the Crown-First Nations Gathering last January.”

[jacee]

First Nations blockade in southwestern Ontario continues for third day

SARNIA, Ont. -- The mayor of Sarnia says city police do not plan to shut down a CN Rail blockade by First Nations activists as long as no one is hurt in the protest.

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Blockade spokesman Ron Plain says the protests are being led by young Aamjiwnaang (AWN'-ja-nong) First Nation members, who met Sunday with representatives from CN, as well as Bradley and Sarnia's police chief.

Dozens of demonstrators set up tables, tents and vehicles on and around the track Friday as part of the national Idle No More protests.

They say the blockade of the commercial-rail corridor will continue until Prime Minister Stephen Harper meets with Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence, who is on a hunger strike to bring attention to aboriginal issues.

Edited December 24, 2012 by jacee

[scribblet]

Yeah, I really can't figure out why they all hate Harper. Maybe because they don't know.

The gov't isn't that good at getting out the message, there are other issues that have been acted on but it doesn't seem to be well known.

I wonder if "idle no more" means they are going to start working

[jacee]

Why is Stephen Harper afraid to look this woman in the eye?

The PM’s view is that you win some, you lose some. Actually, he’s lost quite a few and will probably lose more in 2013 because of the alleged unconstitutionality of much of his justice legislation as contained in poorly-debated omnibus bills. And that is a universe the prime minister is comfortable in —the winner-take-all world of expensive court rulings and a grinding process —life as an elitist joust where he with the longest lance usually prevails.

Which is why Stephen Harper can’t understand Chief Theresa Spence. She is trying to get things done in the old way, using a habit of liberty not well understood by oligarchs or by people who are demoralized by the state of Canadian politics. She is asking for a face-to-face meeting with the man who is supposed to be working for her, for the people, not just his chosen people. She is asking for something Stephen Harper is not much good at giving —personal answers.

Chief Spence’s request might be the fatigue of a front-line respondent to the worst poverty in the country. It might be dismay at how Harper’s promise to forge a new relationship with Canada’s aboriginals has utterly failed to materialize. It might be the Harper government’s statutory war on the environment without bothering to get aboriginal approval for profound legislative change. It might be cuts to native health care or the abominable state of reserve education. Whatever it is, it has put Stephen Harper in an unfamiliar place —on the defensive.

In a hunger strike, most of the phases are well known. When glycogen is used up and no food is taken, the body begins consuming fat stocks. When they are gone, muscles and organ tissue are consumed to produce energy. But there is not much information about when a hunger strike begins to consume politicians.

The country is waiting to see what Stephen Harper will do about a woman who is dying to talk to him. If she does die, the prime minister will not have to ask for whom the bell tolls —and neither will anyone else.

Harper's taking a ridiculous stand here.

He can't speak to her and arrange a meeting?

I believe he should skip the politics of meeting with the chiefs, and speak to the women and youth ... Is that who he's afraid of?

Edited December 24, 2012 by jacee

[PIK]

Time to open the books and get everything out in the open and then maybe the goverment will take these people seriously.