First nations patiences waning

[g_bambino]

A destructive precedent? Excuse me while I yawn.

Why does the minimisation of parliament make you yawn? It's pretty clear this government has little regard for the basic rules of parliamentary democracy; there's been more than one expression of the feeling amongst its members that they are above and beyond parliament and the Crown both. It's fairly concerning that a government would hold such an attitude, since it runs entirely counter to the constitution and the tenet of responsible government near the core of it.

[Moonbox]

The concentration of power in the PMO is exactly that. A dictatorship with term limits. Peter Van Loan was calling for MPs outside the governing party to be stripped of their ability to put forth amendments to bills even. When the governing party tries to limit other MPs authority, what else is there to call it but a dictatorship. I hate to break it to you.

Wow. I'd hoped at least you could acknowledge your hyperbole. The fact that you're still insisting on this is just sad. Calling the Harper government a dictatorship is every bit as dumb as an American calling us communists for having universal health care. If you can't make the distinction then there's no hope for you. Hopefully g_bambino's points make an impression on you, but I doubt it. It seems pretty clear that your intent is to participate in the idiotic rhetoric. You're more interested in the promoting the zealous and frothy-mouthed ideology than you are in any sort of rational debate.

For the record, here's a democracy index ranking Canada against the rest of the nations of the world. We were ranked 9th in the world and we're by far the largest and most complex nation (both in terms of population and geography) out of the top 10. Where did we lose most of our marks? Participation by the electorate. When they have to listen to the kind of stupid crap you're peddling here, they tune out. It has nothing to do with where you stand on the political spectrum either. Harper muzzles his party because it's full of morons who make the same sort of irrational and ignorant comments that you do.

http://www.sida.se/Global/About%20Sida/S%C3%A5%20arbetar%20vi/EIU_Democracy_Index_Dec2011.pdf

[jacee]

Really? Tell you again? Dude, your ears and mind are so closed its impossible to tell you anything that doesnt coincide with your ridiculously racial and ignorant ideologies. Have you even made a genuine concious effort to raise your knowledge? I didnt think so. I wont even bother replying to you anymore, as I mentioned in my post, it's people like you that make the situation (on this entire planet) worse than it needs to be.

Fletch is the extreme immovable dorkus on this and other topics. Engaging with him is a downward spiral.

Thanks for all the info. It is helpful to know the issues, and what's being requested.

A sincere meeting with Harper isn't a lot to ask.

[nimiru]

WRONG!

Majority of those who attend 'a meeting'

not majority of band members. What is quorum for the meeting hmm?

Also this is not something a simple majority should handle it should be an extreme super majority if not full acceptance by everyone for ceeding territory, since it is held collectively not by a corporation but by individuals who have ancestorial right individually, not due to being part of a group recognized as the government of those people there is a difference between individual rights and collective rights.

A part owner of a property does not have the ability to sell their partners share.

I wonder if any of you not only this last post but any of you posters had spent anytime with any number of natives? eh? You all yap off about this and that and as far as I can see not one of you has a mfi. I spent an entire season working in an environment where I was the only white and I was subjected to so much prejudiism that it made me feel like Jesus in comparison. My point being is that everyone is the same and no one is any better than the next. So to assume that the fn have the beat of the nation at their finger tips is rediculous to say the least. They are no less capalist than the worst of the whites. I say we look else where for the word in which is the proper way to direct our country and the firtst step is to lose the P***K that we have now.

[nimiru]

Whatever happened to the chief that went to Iran?

What ever happened to the chief who slag the jews?

[nimiru]

Personally I think it is time and just about time that they took it apon themselves to either take care of themselves or to render themselves unto our complete care. You can't have it both ways. Either they are a distinct entity and responsibe for themselves and all that it entails or they are under the arm of the government and all that it entails.Most of the bands have settled now with the government and should therefor be a seperate entity or did I miss something? Was there a line in there that said we paid outrageously forever? When does self governing really mean something? And when does it not? I personally feel that the time is right to hold the first nations. ( and I find that title offensive) accountable. The time is now and they are no less accountalble for their actions than you or I.

[nimiru]

Why does the minimisation of parliament make you yawn? It's pretty clear this government has little regard for the basic rules of parliamentary democracy; there's been more than one expression of the feeling amongst its members that they are above and beyond parliament and the Crown both. It's fairly concerning that a government would hold such an attitude, since it runs entirely counter to the constitution and the tenet of responsible government near the core of it.

no shit eh? I was beginning to think no buddy else noticed;

[nimiru]

Wow. I'd hoped at least you could acknowledge your hyperbole. The fact that you're still insisting on this is just sad. Calling the Harper government a dictatorship is every bit as dumb as an American calling us communists for having universal health care. If you can't make the distinction then there's no hope for you. Hopefully g_bambino's points make an impression on you, but I doubt it. It seems pretty clear that your intent is to participate in the idiotic rhetoric. You're more interested in the promoting the zealous and frothy-mouthed ideology than you are in any sort of rational debate.

For the record, here's a democracy index ranking Canada against the rest of the nations of the world. We were ranked 9th in the world and we're by far the largest and most complex nation (both in terms of population and geography) out of the top 10. Where did we lose most of our marks? Participation by the electorate. When they have to listen to the kind of stupid crap you're peddling here, they tune out. It has nothing to do with where you stand on the political spectrum either. Harper muzzles his party because it's full of morons who make the same sort of irrational and ignorant comments that you do.

http://www.sida.se/G...dex_Dec2011.pdf

Now I have heard crap before but this absoultely takes the cake. Harper muzzeles his minions because he is a narrcicisstic pychocopath and his shrine to himself proves it. Your following him says all I need to know about you. It's time to lose little Hitler and get a responsible government back power. I can't fathom and or understand where people of you urk come form but can only hope you are a minority.

[jacee]

Stephen Harper should meet Attawapiskat chief on hunger strike

It’s a short limo drive,maybe five minutes, from Parliament Hill to Victoria Island in the middle of the Ottawa River. Heck,you could walk it in 10. So would it kill Stephen Harper to get out of his office and go meet the chief of the Attawapiskat First Nation who is staging a hunger strike on the island to get attention for her community’s plight.

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The federal government’s response to Attawapiskat was to appoint an outside manager to oversee the community’s affairs, but that was harshly criticized in August by the Federal Court,which called the move “unreasonable in all circumstances.”

A much-heralded “summit meeting” on all this involving Harper and top First Nations chiefs last January led to nothing much specific. And now Spence is staging her hunger strike,in obvious frustration over the lack of progress on Attawapiskat and what she calls a lack of respect for native leaders by Ottawa. The prime minister should cut through the bureaucracy and sit down with the chief. It might not work,but nothing else has made an impact on this tragic and intractable situation.

Come on Harper ... take a short walk ...

[nimiru]

Why does the minimisation of parliament make you yawn? It's pretty clear this government has little regard for the basic rules of parliamentary democracy; there's been more than one expression of the feeling amongst its members that they are above and beyond parliament and the Crown both. It's fairly concerning that a government would hold such an attitude, since it runs entirely counter to the constitution and the tenet of responsible government near the core of it.

Wow did you ever consder running for parilment yourself. you talk the shit. All that aside you seem to have it right good for you.

[jacee]

Lots of good stuff in the links posted by NativeCharm ...

on the thread topic of Indigenous rights, loss of patience by Chiefs and Elders and Youth and all Indigenous people of Kanata ...

Not that HARPER- dictator isn't relevant to the topic, it is, because his presence is IMMEDIATELY required to face the Chief Spence and others on VICTORIA ISLAND, along with the GOVERNOR GENERAL, representative of the Queen and the Queen's Treaties ... yes the Queen still holds some sway ... In fact, little known among Canadians, the Queen recently did an end run around HarperCanada and renewed the SILVER COVENANT CHAIN TREATY ... and it looks like Harper got signed on too ... or not ... he looks a bit ... confused?skeptical?has to pee?wants to skip out? ... oh that's right! Harper did skip out on the Crown-First Nations Summit this year! ... right after this photo op! ...

Now with tongue firmly in cheek ...

Rights? What rights?

Something indigenous people never get tired of hearing about is how we were conquered/defeated/never had rights. I know I just can’t get enough of having this explained to me by loudmouthed bigots and helpful progressives both! It leaves me with a warm fuzzy feeling in the depths of my liver when I learn about how generous the Canadian state is when it deigns to grant us any rights at all, despite the historical fact that we aren’t actually entitled to anything.

So it is with a heavy heart that I introduce the following information for your rejection. I apologise profusely for bothering you with this, but there are some uppity natives and settlers both who insist on denying the patent and obvious truth of indigenous rightslessness. I just thought you should hear the silly things they have been saying is all.

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#1

The Doctrine of Discovery is rooted in a 15th century Papal *Bull* called the Romanus pontifex, which pretty clearly explained that since there were a lot of people (heathens) around the world who weren’t really using the land they were on, Europeans had every right to take that land and do something with it!

…

#2

Another obvious fact is that when you conquer someone, you get their stuff. It happens all over the world!

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#3

It’s a pretty well recognised principle that if you walk into someone’s house and refuse to leave, living there for many years, eventually the house is yours. Right? Exactly.

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Not so humourous ...

Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence started her fast Dec. 10, calling in a widely-distributed statement for a meeting with the Queen and prime minister “to have a meaningful dialogue about restoring the respect of the political and economic relationship with our people.”

Spence has been camping on Victoria Island near Parliament Hill in Ottawa, and has pledged to continue her fast until the meeting is held or she dies.

So far, Spence has not heard from Harper. Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan offered to meet with her in January, once he returns from vacation.

That offer was “an insult,”

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/local+aboriginal+groups+block+highways+plan+a+week+of+protests/6442773973/story.html

Seriously, Harper, time to face the Chiefs.

Edited December 18, 2012 by jacee

[Bryan]

Why does the minimisation of parliament make you yawn? It's pretty clear this government has little regard for the basic rules of parliamentary democracy; there's been more than one expression of the feeling amongst its members that they are above and beyond parliament and the Crown both. It's fairly concerning that a government would hold such an attitude, since it runs entirely counter to the constitution and the tenet of responsible government near the core of it.

It makes ME yawn because it's a load of fiction. Your rants are just nonsensical as cybercoma's.

[g_bambino]

It makes ME yawn because it's a load of fiction.

That's certainly an intellectually and factually vacuous response.

[Moonlight Graham]

This "cheif" has been starving his own danm people for years! . Simple.... Don't feed this buffoon.

Awwwww a hunger strike.... Looks how fat the chief is! This grand poobah of stealing from his tribe will have lots of time to think about it.... The body fat should equal months....

This "lady" with the dolce and gobana glasses need to quit lining her pockets and take care of her own role and duties.

She needs to be held accountable to her kin and the tax-payer. She is what keeps the town down.

Is there evidence for this? Links?

[jacee]

http://aptn.ca/pages/news/2012/12/17/harper-unlikely-to-meet-hunger-striking-attawapiskat-chiefs-request-for-meeting/

APTN National News A group of First Nations leaders and supporters of hunger-striking Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence taped a letter to the gates of Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s home Monday demanding he agree to a meeting with First Nations leaders.

The chances of the meeting happening, however, appear remote.

The Prime Minister’s Office responded saying Harper already met with Assembly of First Nations National Chief Shawn Atleo about three weeks ago. The PMO also said the prime minister agreed to last January’s Crown-First Nations gathering that included Gov-Gen. David Johnston and First Nations leaders from across the country.

“The prime minister hosted an historic gathering of Crown and First Nations this past January. Since then, the government has been working with First Nations leadership to make progress in several areas, most notably education and infrastructure on reserve,” said the PMO in an emailed statement to APTN National News. “In fact the prime minister met with National Chief Atleo to review the progress to date and to discuss a range of issues.”

The PMO has also consistently responded to questions on Spence’s hunger-strike demands by referring to Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan’s offer to meet with Spence.

Ya ... when he comes back from vacation.

And Harper thinks showing up for a photo op last year is sufficient, looking like he can barely restrain his contempt?

Harper sure knows how to bring Indigenous people together and galvanize them to action. :lol:

Edited December 18, 2012 by jacee

[Smallc]

Apparently, all he had to do was pass a bill that affected them very little.

[Moonbox]

Now I have heard crap before but this absoultely takes the cake. Harper muzzeles his minions because he is a narrcicisstic pychocopath and his shrine to himself proves it. Your following him says all I need to know about you. It's time to lose little Hitler and get a responsible government back power. I can't fathom and or understand where people of you urk come form but can only hope you are a minority.

I think we have a record here for how quickly someone's invoked Hitler's name. See "Godwin's Law". Between Hitler references, bad spelling, made up words (urk???), and spazz statements like the one above, I think we can set our expectations pretty low on what you're going to be able to contribute to this board.

I wonder if you can see the humor/irony in responding to my criticism of cybercoma's hyperbole by taking it far beyond into the realm of idiocy.

[g_bambino]

Harper sure knows how to bring Indigenous people together and galvanize them to action.

Is he supposed to?

[Fletch 27]

Update: She has thrown "water to the wind" as has decided to also consume fish-broth in this hunger strike.

Japanese soldiers survived years on fish-broth... This "Hunger strike" could take a while...

When will it stop? Do we need to see a "dominos delivers" flyer in her Tee pee?

Hey! Sounds healthy and good!

"

Why Fish Head Stock?

Stocks in general are very healthy for you, but fish head stock sits a little higher on the pedestal. It’s the most nutritious, easiest on the budget, and holds claim to benefits other stocks can’t.

Like thyroid glands and iodine.

What Does The Thyroid Gland Do?

Not only is fish head stock rich in fat-soluble vitamins, it also contains the all-important thyroid gland. Basically, when you simmer a fish head the thyroid gland disintegrates and becomes part of your stock.

Yuuuuummmyy.

Thyroid glands supply the thyroid hormone whose main purpose in life is to run the body’s metabolism. This might not seem like much to get worked up about – until you don’t have enough of it.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Fletch 27

[cybercoma]

That's certainly an intellectually and factually vacuous response.

What a tactful way to say, "you're stupid and wrong."

[jacee]

Is he supposed to?

To be clear ...

His contempt and inaction is certainly spurring them to action.

And we are talking now about Canada's mainstream Band Chiefs ... who can't be dismissed as "splinter groups" as traditional leaders are.

The more Harper stonewalls, the more cohesive and active they become.

[g_bambino]

His contempt and inaction is certainly spurring them to action.

If there's inaction on the part of Harper and the Conservatives, why the complaints about the action being taken? If there's contempt on his part, why the meetings with First Nations representatives, including one with Shawn Atleo just three weeks ago?

[jacee]

http://www.netnewsledger.com/2012/12/18/changes-dont-alter-treaty-rights-or-land-claims-processes-at-all-conservative-mp/

THUNDER BAY - ”What it’s doing is, like the rest of our budget, it’s focusing on being able to create jobs and growth and prosperity for all Canadians and that includes our First Nations — these changes don’t alter treaty rights or any land claims processes at all,” stated the Conservative MP for Wildrose. Blake Richards made the comments following an Idle No More rally in Morley Alberta that the Stoney First Nation held.

The comments by Richards are the complete opposite view from those being raised by Aboriginal groups across Canada right from the grassroots Idle No More to the National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations. It also seems counter to what [senator] Lillian Eva Dyck spoke of in the Senate on December 13th.

“Bill C-27 is yet another piece of legislation that this government is pushing through the legislative process without any prior consultation and accommodation with First Nations. As such, it has only proven to add to the deteriorating relationship between the federal government and First Nations across Canada. This deteriorating relationship has been exemplified everywhere lately — from the frustrated chiefs who tried to gain entry into the other place last week, to the thousands of First Nations youth who have gathered in protest and rallies under the “Idle No More” banner, including 500 who rallied outside of Kelly Block’s constituency office in Saskatoon this past Monday”.

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On October 22, 2011 when Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan announced changes to legislation those moves were countered by AFN Chief Shawn Atleo. “We all agree we need to move away from the Indian Act, but any efforts must be led by First Nations and done with First Nations, not for First Nations. Moving beyond the Indian Act is about ending unilateral approaches by government and supporting and empowering First Nation governments to drive solutions in ways that respect and implement their rights, responsibilities and decision-making. This work must be done on First Nations’ terms”.

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Timmins James Bay MP Charlie Angus has stated on numerous occasions that the Conservative government has attempted, in Attawapiskat to ‘hold the community hostage’ over funding issues. Last spring as the academic year ended for students from Attawapiskat, funds from the federal government were being withheld. There are concerns that under Bill C-27 as a tool to enforce compliance the government is seeking to put those measures into legislation, again without having followed the consultation process.

[Fletch 27]

http://www.netnewsle...onservative-mp/

THUNDER BAY - "What it's doing is, like the rest of our budget, it's focusing on being able to create jobs and growth and prosperity for all Canadians and that includes our First Nations — these changes don't alter treaty rights or any land claims processes at all," stated the Conservative MP for Wildrose. Blake Richards made the comments following an Idle No More rally in Morley Alberta that the Stoney First Nation held.

The comments by Richards are the complete opposite view from those being raised by Aboriginal groups across Canada right from the grassroots Idle No More to the National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations. It also seems counter to what [senator] Lillian Eva Dyck spoke of in the Senate on December 13th.

"Bill C-27 is yet another piece of legislation that this government is pushing through the legislative process without any prior consultation and accommodation with First Nations. As such, it has only proven to add to the deteriorating relationship between the federal government and First Nations across Canada. This deteriorating relationship has been exemplified everywhere lately — from the frustrated chiefs who tried to gain entry into the other place last week, to the thousands of First Nations youth who have gathered in protest and rallies under the "Idle No More" banner, including 500 who rallied outside of Kelly Block's constituency office in Saskatoon this past Monday".

...

On October 22, 2011 when Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan announced changes to legislation those moves were countered by AFN Chief Shawn Atleo. "We all agree we need to move away from the Indian Act, but any efforts must be led by First Nations and done with First Nations, not for First Nations. Moving beyond the Indian Act is about ending unilateral approaches by government and supporting and empowering First Nation governments to drive solutions in ways that respect and implement their rights, responsibilities and decision-making. This work must be done on First Nations' terms".

...

Timmins James Bay MP Charlie Angus has stated on numerous occasions that the Conservative government has attempted, in Attawapiskat to 'hold the community hostage' over funding issues. Last spring as the academic year ended for students from Attawapiskat, funds from the federal government were being withheld. There are concerns that under Bill C-27 as a tool to enforce compliance the government is seeking to put those measures into legislation, again without having followed the consultation process.

Charlie Angus... The Anti-Accountability superhero... This guy and his rhetoric and sheer use of the aboriginal nation is shameful. We stopped using the aboriginals as pawns hundreds of years ago. This guy should be ashamed of himself

This "Guy" invited the Chiefs to parliament... walked them down the halls and tried to get them into session... this guy KNEW that was 100% against the rules, the law.. etc.. etc... He did this as a PUBLICITY stunt for his own party.... Simply shameful and made the Chiefs look very silly.. Did you see how confused they were? Charlie brought them there!!

This guy has no regard for the aboriginals but only his own party and himself... I can not believe that no-one has commented on Charlie baiting the Chiefs into parliament.... Simply shameful

Edited December 18, 2012 by Fletch 27

[jacee]

Charlie Angus... The Anti-Accountability superhero... This guy and his rhetoric and sheer use of the aboriginal nation is shameful. We stopped using the aboriginals as pawns hundreds of years ago. This guy should be ashamed of himself

This "Guy" invited the Chiefs to parliament... walked them down the halls and tried to get them into session... this guy KNEW that was 100% against the rules, the law.. etc.. etc... He did this as a PUBLICITY stunt for his own party.... Simply shameful and made the Chiefs look very silly.. Did you see how confused they were? Charlie brought them there!!

This guy has no regard for the aboriginals but only his own party and himself... I can not believe that no-one has commented on Charlie baiting the Chiefs into parliament.... Simply shameful

Anybody can go there.

The public gallery is ... public.

They didn't get the meeting they hoped for though.