F-35 Purchase Cancelled; CF-18 replacement process begins

Smallc · November 17, 2015

I provided, in the other thread, the DoD 2016 budget framework........no money for any Hornets or Growlers, hence, without new orders, the plant closes in 2017.

Again, even with no sales, it doesn't close:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/boeings-super-hornet-facility-to-be-kept-open-because-of-upgrade-work-future-sales

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

There are companies that were prevented from bidding. There never should have been a sole source bid. If we'd held a competition, we'd probably be waiting for the F-35s we purchased by now.

You realize sole sourced means one bidder right? Hence, no losers to unleash lawyers.......

Smallc · November 17, 2015

Again...depending on what another nation will/will not do. I thought this was a Canadian procurement / decision ?

We're discussing likely outcomes.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

You realize sole sourced means one bidder right? Hence, no losers to unleash lawyers.......

Those prevented from bidding could do just that, and probably would have had we bought the F-35. Of course, Harper never planned to buy the thing, or he would have.

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

Again, even with no sales, it doesn't close:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/boeings-super-hornet-facility-to-be-kept-open-because-of-upgrade-work-future-sales

The plant doesn't close, the production line for the Super Hornet (and Eagle) will close with no new orders.

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

Those prevented from bidding could do just that, and probably would have had we bought the F-35. Of course, Harper never planned to buy the thing, or he would have.

Sue on what grounds......if BC-2004 puts a lousy roof on my house, you can't sue him :huh:

Smallc · November 17, 2015

I provided, in the other thread, the DoD 2016 budget framework........no money for any Hornets or Growlers, hence, without new orders, the plant closes in 2017.

There is not yet, however information from as late as this month says that an order is pending. The Navy in fact asked for money for 12 more F-18Fs this year, but was shot down by the Pentagon.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

The plant doesn't close, the production line for the Super Hornet (and Eagle) will close with no new orders.

And it can be re-opened, though certainly as a cost.

bush_cheney2004 · November 17, 2015

We're discussing likely outcomes.

Your position is based on campaign promises and non-existing procurement contracts for an aircraft that hasn't even been chosen yet.

My position is based on facts concerning actual production of the aircraft you are considering. The USA and partners build the F-16, F-18, F-15, and F-35 for paying customers, not campaign promises.

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

There is not yet, however information from as late as this month says that an order is pending. The Navy in fact asked for money for 12 more F-18Fs this year, but was shot down by the Pentagon.

Hence no new orders..........maybe the USN will have a bake sale and car wash.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

Sue on what grounds......if BC-2004 puts a lousy roof on my house, you can't sue him

Government has rules for purchasing. Competition is the norm when there are competitors. Besides, no one is saying that LM can't bid. They have another aircraft to offer, after all.

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

And it can be re-opened, though certainly as a cost.

Not likely....

bush_cheney2004 · November 17, 2015

Hence no new orders..........maybe the USN will have a bake sale and car wash.

....In 36 years, no F-18 has ever been shot down in combat. But that production line shuts in 2017 without more orders.

Edited November 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

Government has rules for purchasing. Competition is the norm when there are competitors. Besides, no one is saying that LM can't bid. They have another aircraft to offer, after all.

Not in a sole sourced contract..........hence the term sole sourced :rolleyes:

On Guard for Thee · November 17, 2015

Not likely....

Could be very liekly as more and more f 35 orders dissolve.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

Not in a sole sourced contract.

Sole source contracts are not normally allowed.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

Could be very liekly as more and more f 35 orders dissolve.

According to Derek, everything is fine. The reality is, not even the US can afford the number of F-35s they were to originally order, and with every aircraft fewer the price goes up. All of this, of course, is irrelevant, as we aren't buying the F-35.

On Guard for Thee · November 17, 2015

According to Derek, everything is fine. The reality is, not even the US can afford the number of F-35s they were to originally order, and with every aircraft fewer the price goes up. All of this, of course, is irrelevant, as we aren't buying the F-35.

Thank dawg for elections.

Derek 2.0 · November 17, 2015

Sole source contracts are not normally allowed.

And when they are, there are no losers, hence nobody to sue the Government......my point exactly.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

Thank dawg for elections.

I was fine buying the F-35. We're not. That's settled. There's no use dwelling on it.

Smallc · November 17, 2015

And when they are, there are no losers, hence nobody to sue the Government.

It was questionable that this contract should have been sole sourced, as there were available competitors.

bush_cheney2004 · November 17, 2015

The U.S. is building far more F-35s than F-18s....production is ramping up regardless of how Canada decides or dithers:

F-35 prime contractor Lockheed Martin is expanding the capacity of its one-mile, 25-foot long aircraft assembly line facility here so it is capable of producing roughly 200 jets per year by the end of 2019. The F-35 program will triple its aircraft production and fielding rate by 2019, producing over 120 planes per year. It will deliver about 43 planes next year.