Smallc Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Do you reckon we are about to be attacked? You should always act as if you are. It's how our Navy mans its ships, different from that of the Europeans. Not much point in having a military if they aren't ready for war 24/7. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Problem is the F 35 only beats out other competitors by what it was hoping to achieve, not what it actually has. When the F 35 fails another parameter, Lock Mart just tries to re write it. The Pentagon is once again admitting they are getting cold feet. Let's not go down that very expensive road. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/15/politics/f-35-report-question-readiness/ Read your link: Despite the fact that the observations outlined by the DOT&E within the POGO report contradict those made by defense contractors and military officials last month, the Marine Corps says F-35B's ability to carry more fuel than the legacy fighters currently in use and weapon payload, coupled with the completion of the installation of Block 3F software on all Marine Corps F-35Bs in the 2017 time frame, means the jet will surpass anything the U.S. has in its arsenal today. "Data collected and lessons learned during OT-1 will lay the groundwork for F-35B deployments aboard U.S. Navy amphibious carriers now that the U.S. Marine Corps' F-35B Lightning II aircraft reached initial operational capability (IOC) on July 31, 2015," the Marine Corps said. Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Do you reckon we are about to be attacked?No. Not directly. It's just embarrassing to have such crappy planes. Third world countries have better jets. We're flying clunkers that are past the due date.If the US wasn't our neighbor and close friend and before that the UK we'd have been attacked long ago. Probably by Russia. Which leads me to think that Russia may try to put an oil rig in our arctic seas. But do I think Canada will be outright attacked or invaded? No. Terrorist attacked yes and soon but as far as a foreign nation invading Canada. I just don't see it happening as long as the US is our friend. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Read your link: I have read it...all of it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 You should always act as if you are. It's how our Navy mans its ships, different from that of the Europeans. Not much point in having a military if they aren't ready for war 24/7. Not the Royal Navy...............but yes, readiness is key, in relation to the RCAF, as its been since the creation of NORAD. Of course, accepting that mantra, the selection of the F-35A should be obvious, as its the very same aircraft that the Americans will be using to complete their NORAD commitments out to the middle of this century. Quote
Smallc Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Not the Royal Navy I don't usually lump them in with Europe when I use the term generally, even though they are part of it. Of course, accepting that mantra, the selection of the F-35A should be obvious, as its the very same aircraft that the Americans will be using to complete their NORAD commitments out to the middle of this century. I say hold the competition. It will shut most people up. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I say hold the competition. It will shut most people up. Why waste time and money? Better to educate than appease. Quote
Smallc Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Why waste time and money? Better to educate than appease. I'm not opposed to the idea at all. It may even get us a better deal in the end. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Why waste time and money? Better to educate than appease. Who would you have attempt the educating, Lock Mart? Quote
Army Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Although lockmart wants all the buyers it can get, i think all this political footballing is a waste of time and effort, sure it will temporily shut them up until the results come back F-35 then it will be something else, it was scewed some how, some where....And i think it makes Canada look like a risky investment, not sure how that could be translated into a better deal.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I'm not opposed to the idea at all. It may even get us a better deal in the end. No it won't, as JSF partners, we're already getting the "better deal" when compared to those on the outside of the program looking inwards......to say nothing of the fact, assuming the process took several years, it could result in lost contract bidding rights for Canadian industry, that wouldn't be made whole by any of the other "contenders". Quote
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 No it won't, as JSF partners, we're already getting the "better deal" when compared to those on the outside of the program looking inwards......to say nothing of the fact, assuming the process took several years, it could result in lost contract bidding rights for Canadian industry, that wouldn't be made whole by any of the other "contenders".You really seem to know what you're talking about in regards to this. Are you in the industry? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Who would you have attempt the educating, Lock Mart? The RCAF---> our NORAD and NATO partners (namely the Americans)---> Canadian industry----> Lockheed/Northrop Grumman/P&W. In that order. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 You really seem to know what you're talking about in regards to this. Are you in the industry? Yes, for nearly 20 years. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 You really seem to know what you're talking about in regards to this. Are you in the industry? He's was a Canadian Naval Aviator....And ya he's not bad with the many tongues of the airforce. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Canada_First Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Ok. We'll I'm enjoying reading both of your posts. Very informative. Thank you. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 He's was a Canadian Naval Aviator....And ya he's not bad with the many tongues of the airforce. Technically not naval (not that old), but close enough Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) The RCAF---> our NORAD and NATO partners (namely the Americans)---> Canadian industry----> Lockheed/Northrop Grumman/P&W. In that order. That would be educational for you then not to just continue to buy the Lock Mart sales pitch. And BTW, have you found where the allison 250 is in a kiowa yet? Edited September 22, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Army Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 You really seem to know what you're talking about in regards to this. Are you in the industry? Actually there are a few military guys, or ex military guys on the forum, I think On Guard for thee , Signals.Cpl, Over there, Smallc is well read on things military, i know i missed a few guys but they are out there. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Technically not naval (not that old), but close enough When your saluting your Daughter it will finally sink in..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 When your saluting your Daughter it will finally sink in..... Right, how about old enough to feel the déjà vu all over again with Trudeau’s disjointed policy on the F-35? As I said, though I personally disagree with holding a competition, I will give Mulcair credit for not precluding any manufactures from such a process …..an indication that Mulcair knows what he doesn’t know, likewise a realization on his part that numerous nations have signed onto the program for a reason. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 That would be educational for you then not to just continue to buy the Lock Mart sales pitch. Give it another go in English. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 Give it another go in English. What is it you are having trouble with? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 What is it you are having trouble with? Your use of sentence structure: That would be educational for you then not to just continue to buy the Lock Mart sales pitch. So what are you getting at? Did you have a point? I'm not sure what your above response to me meant. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 To add, the current and projected cost comparisons between the F-35A and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (what is mentioned in the Liberal's platform) The current price in 2015 FY USD, for a pre-production F-35A: Of course, Canada wouldn't be purchasing the F-35 until it was in full production, at which point, per Lockheed, the aircraft will cost: Now the Super Hornet, which is winding down production, per the most recent contract to the Kuwaiti air force: $3 billion / 28 aircraft = ~$107 million per aircraft..............$107 million price for aircraft that will not be used by the USAF and Air National Guard in the defense of North American airspace via NORAD out to the 2050-60 time frame, likewise $107 million price tag for aircraft that the USN and RAAF will start retiring in the later 2020s-2030s. Trudeau is an idiot for disallowing the F-35 in a Hornet replacement program..........Harper's position I agree with (no surprise) and I'm forced to give Mulcair credit, if he was to hold a fair competition for the Hornet replacement, that I do feel is a waste of time, it will find the F-35 the winner on both capability and price-point.......as its doing with other Western nations. You like to quote Lock Mart's (hopeful) projections. Take a look at other possibly more sober ideas. http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/fy2016/FY2016_Weapons.pdf And as to Kuwait: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/kuwait-planning-to-purchase-super-hornets-move-would-keep-boeing-production-line-open-for-a-while Quote
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