Well Hudak's got my vote

WIP · December 20, 2012

When has Hudak ever brought up any religious issues as public policy?

Harper is still doing quite well in Ontario BTW. Most of his caucus is from Ontario.

I never said we are Alabama....at least not yet! I was a member of the P.C.'s back when Harris ran for his two terms and I still know a couple of people that are still actively involved and complained that Hudak used a base of Evangelical supporters to win the nomination. Aside from that, there have always been questions about his creepy connection with Tristan Emmanuel. But just like Harper, he reads polling data, and he knows full well that this isn't the place where you wear God on your sleeves and wipe it everyone's faces.....like Texas!

Boges · December 20, 2012

But just like Harper, he reads polling data, and he knows full well that this isn't the place where you wear God on your sleeves and wipe it everyone's faces.....like Texas!

Which is why you have nothing to worry about. Unless you have something against voting for Christians.

cybercoma · December 21, 2012

I have started liking wine, but as long as it is a Riesling. And there are some really nice VOA ones.

One of the best I have had so far was Fielding, 2009 or 2010 (2009 is much better)

Reislings have a great smooth lime taste to them.

For a next step up the wine ladder, try chardonnay.

Boges · December 21, 2012

Reisling is very sweet. More of a Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc person myself.

MiddleClassCentrist · December 23, 2012

According to some poll,

Hudak's move to ridiculous right has lost moderate voters... and again succeeded at snatching failure from the jaws of victory.

I hope they switch him out... need a sensible PC contender.

Moving liquor to grocery stores won't decrease prices... unless they remove taxes. And it will hurt government into more taxes or cuts by dropping a revenue stream.

Argus · December 29, 2012

According to some poll,

Hudak's move to ridiculous right has lost moderate voters... and again succeeded at snatching failure from the jaws of victory.

I know I won't vote for him. And I've hated and despised McGuinty almost since his first election win. I've always voted PC in Ontario, but not if they're envisioning some kind of right to work legislation.

WIP · December 30, 2012

I know I won't vote for him. And I've hated and despised McGuinty almost since his first election win. I've always voted PC in Ontario, but not if they're envisioning some kind of right to work legislation.

I'm sure that right to work legislation will be the same as the ALEC - created model legislation that Republican governors have trotted out state-side. And then we'll see what other model legislation he wants to import.

The_Squid · December 30, 2012

Even the right-wing BC Liberals didn't change the labour laws when they came to power over a decade ago. They kept the anti-scab legislation because it provides stability and labour peace, which is actually good for business in general. Although there are many business organizations that do not like this, they would cut off their nose to spite their face.

Merlin · December 30, 2012

Sometimes I think a right wing federal government and a left wing provincial government would be best. I like some of what the NDP has to say provincially. But then I remember Bob Rae and mayor Miller and I get scared.

MiddleClassCentrist · December 31, 2012

Sometimes I think a right wing federal government and a left wing provincial government would be best. I like some of what the NDP has to say provincially. But then I remember Bob Rae and mayor Miller and I get scared.

Technically speaking, they are better suited for provincial politics than federal... but, maybe at least they'd sell us out to foreign megacorps less often?

Boges · December 31, 2012

According to some poll,

Hudak's move to ridiculous right has lost moderate voters... and again succeeded at snatching failure from the jaws of victory.

What Poll?

I hope they switch him out... need a sensible PC contender.

Back in 2011 people said he didn't win because he was just a mild alternative to McGuinty. Now he's putting forward concrete differences between his party and the Liberals and people are saying he's too right-wing. Clearly he can't win in the minds of some. I anticipate those people were never going to vote PC in the first place.

Moving liquor to grocery stores won't decrease prices... unless they remove taxes. And it will hurt government into more taxes or cuts by dropping a revenue stream.

The price is only part of the problem. The fact that we're being treated like children is the major problem. The LCBO's were closed on Boxing Day WTF???? Even if I had to pay a bit more, why couldn't the people of Ontario get a bottle of wine on Boxing Day? They already have private Beer Stores and Private Wine Stores. They just have to abide by silly social responsibility laws that are completely hypocritical. It's not just the taxes either. It's the markup. The LCBO has a set markup. An independent convenience store owner wouldn't have the overhead of an LCBO so they wouldn't need to take as much profit. Edited December 31, 2012 by Boges

Boges · December 31, 2012

Interesting.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1308767--lcbo-to-open-wine-liquor-stores-in-some-supermarkets

Ontario shoppers will soon be able to grab a six-pack and a bottle of wine or liquor along with their groceries as the LCBO opens 10 “express” stores in supermarkets, Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said Monday.

The new concept is part of a pilot project that will also see five new boutiques within liquor stores to better promote Ontario’s VQA wines, Duncan added.

The LCBO changes, in the works for some time, blunt Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak’s recent promise for beer and wine in corner stores.

“We think this is an important step forward,” said Duncan, who described the new “express” stores as similar to the LCBO outlet in the Loblaw’s complex on Queen’s Quay at Jarvis St. on the Toronto waterfront.

“I think consumers will embrace this.”

Locations have not yet been decided, but are likely to be in suburban and rural areas now underserviced by liquor stores.

“We’ve done a lot of work on what people like and don’t like about LCBO stores,” Duncan said.

“They’re satisfied with what the LCBO does but they want more access. I think this is going to revolutionize how the LCBO operates.”

Duncan took a shot at Hudak’s plan, charging it would lead to Detroit-style “party stores.”

“Anyone who lives near the border knows what that will look like.”

WTF does "Detroit style" mean Duncan? you effin' idiot.

Sure in politically depressed places, liqour stores will be cruddy places to be in. Same as with anywhere that's not all that nice. But you can also buy alcohol in corner stores in nice wealthy suburban areas in the US. Do they look "Detroit-style" too?

He's playing class politics with that comment.

This is a positive direction though. I'm assuming you'll be able to also get a limited quantity of spirits at these boutique locations too. It doesn't solve the problem of hours and a lot of the time there are LCBO's in the same plazas as the grocery stores you'd probably put one of these boutique. I doubt they'll be putting one in a No Frills or a Wal-Mart.

Edited December 31, 2012 by Boges

PIK · December 31, 2012

At least with the LBCO you have plenty of choices, go private and you will only be able to buy the top sellers. And when nobody is looking under age will get a better chance of buying (don't want to lose a 40dollar sale.) where in a LCBO you are out.

Boges · December 31, 2012

No one is saying the LCBO's should be closed. Their selection will appeal to many people. These boutiques will probably not have the greatest selection either.

The selling to underage people idea isn't really an issue. Corner stores already sell controlled substances that require ID's to purchase, it's not a leap to think they'll be able to responsibly distribute the product. You can imagine an independent store owner will be far more careful not giving alcohol to minors than a Unionized LCBO employee that doesn't likely stand to lose his/her job if caught distributing to minors.

Edited December 31, 2012 by Boges

WIP · December 31, 2012

At least with the LBCO you have plenty of choices, go private and you will only be able to buy the top sellers. And when nobody is looking under age will get a better chance of buying (don't want to lose a 40dollar sale.) where in a LCBO you are out.

It seems to me that Hudak supporters don't care about outsourcing jobs from Ontario as long as they can buy their booze at every corner store!

Boges · December 31, 2012

How are jobs being outsourced? These corner stores aren't in China.

WIP · December 31, 2012

How are jobs being outsourced? These corner stores aren't in China.

I didn't say jobs were being outsourced because of stores selling liquor! My point is that there are more important issues than being able to buy booze 24/7.

Boges · January 2, 2013

You can blame the jobs outsourcing on McGuinty more than you can on Hudak. BTW making Ontario a "Right to Work" province might help that situation you know.

We saw that GM moved production of the Camero to Michigan from Oshawa the same week they became a "Right to Work" state.

Regardless, none of that has to do with Liqour sales, which a lot of people do care about.

punked · January 2, 2013

We saw that GM moved production of the Camero to Michigan from Oshawa the same week they became a "Right to Work" state.

Yah because Gm doesn't plan those decisions Months in advance. What a dumb argument.

Boges · January 2, 2013

That was a more tongue and cheek response to the sentiment that we can't discuss alcohol sales because there is job outsourcing going on.

MiddleClassCentrist · January 2, 2013

What Poll?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1305278--polls-suggests-ontario-pc-leader-tim-hudak-s-right-turn-is-not-helping-with-voters

To be honest, I think this is all part of the liberal plan. Push some right wing smoke screen to force the PC's further right... Making the Liberals the only choice for moderates... even with their history.

WIP · January 2, 2013

You can blame the jobs outsourcing on McGuinty more than you can on Hudak. BTW making Ontario a "Right to Work" province might help that situation you know.

We saw that GM moved production of the Camero to Michigan from Oshawa the same week they became a "Right to Work" state.

Provincial governments don't negotiate trade deals! FTA and NAFTA, were both out of the hands of Ontario (as is the secret TPP going on right now behind close doors), or any other provincial government, so get real! You are grossly inflating the role a province has in setting policy for the manufacturing sector of the economy.

Hudak's right to work for third world wages scheme, is just borrowed model legislation that has previously been handed to Republican governors in the U.S., to gut their middle class of any stragglers who are blue collar workers. Any jobs left after Hudak or any other conservative policymaker, will be the barely minimum wage jobs that Americans have to take in the former industrial heartland.

Regardless, none of that has to do with Liqour sales, which a lot of people do care about.

I think Ontario must be full of nothing but drunks, if this is the no.1 issue in the Province!

Boges · January 2, 2013

Yeah and the Liberals treatment of teachers will move left-leaning Liberals towards the NDP. In that Poll you cite, the Liberals actually lost support.

I don't see the issue of alcohol sales as a Right v Left issue all that much.

punked · January 2, 2013

I don't see the issue of alcohol sales as a Right v Left issue all that much.

I will agree with that.

Boges · January 2, 2013

I think Ontario must be full of nothing but drunks, if this is the no.1 issue in the Province!

Well, other than Right to Work, which isn't a certain thing, what are you concerned with? The Liqour issue is a concern to a lot of people because Ontarians are being hosed on the price of alcohol and are also being treated like children at the same time having to buy alcohol at a government run outlet.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Boges