jbg Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Absolutely. Move the settlers out, any attacks are an act of war and Israel is free to fight back as deemed necessary. Do you promise that if there are attacks coming from that direction and Israel obliterates the place, neither you nor the U.N. will object? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Canuckistani Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Do you promise that if there are attacks coming from that direction and Israel obliterates the place, neither you nor the U.N. will object? Obliterating the place because of a couple of rockets isn't a proportional response. But by all means move in ground troops and take out the enemy. I can't speak for the UN, but what does that matter, Israel doesn't follow the UN anyway. Quote
punked Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Do you promise that if there are attacks coming from that direction and Israel obliterates the place, neither you nor the U.N. will object? Again that depends on the rules of engagement. I know if some nutter shot a missile from Canada to the US I would be pretty angry if the US blew us off the map. However if it can be shown that is was state sponsored or that the state is not helping bring those shooting to justice then I will not object in the least. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 No all you have been doing is playing the Hamas Boogey man card. What is solution? It is the status quo which clearly is not working and is not bringing a lasting peace. So Hamas is just a 'Boogy Man'? Seems they get very real on a very consistent basis. I'm very much against giving state recognition to a known terrorist group. I'm a little surprised you'd think it feasible. I'm also leery of rewarding the Palestinians for decades of hijackings and bombings. But then, the fellow that tried to kill me when I was a kid is now an MP in the Irish parliament. At least I know where to find him. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 So Hamas is just a 'Boogy Man'? Seems they get very real on a very consistent basis. I'm very much against giving state recognition to a known terrorist group. I'm a little surprised you'd think it feasible. I'm also leery of rewarding the Palestinians for decades of hijackings and bombings. But then, the fellow that tried to kill me when I was a kid is now an MP in the Irish parliament. At least I know where to find him. Yah how is Ireland doing now? That seems like a very real solution. What you want is continuous fighting for the rest of our lives and I think that is unacceptable. AGAIN WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? The status quo has failed. In fact it has fail so bad now Hamas controls Gaza, that is on your side, when you back someone up against a wall sometimes they choose to fight their way out. Don't be surprised. Again your ideas aren't solutions. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Obliterating the place because of a couple of rockets isn't a proportional response. War isn't a proportional response. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Merlin Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 People are trying to legitimize Hamas and give them credibility as a reasonable people. They are not. This has been a ploy of the left for years perhaps decades. Libby Davies toured the area a few years ago as well. She has also made antisemitic remarks at NDP fundraisers. She belongs to the radical side of that party and unfortunately Mulcair has been unable to reel them in as of yet. It seems he doesn't have control over his whole caucus. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Yah how is Ireland doing now? Broke. That seems like a very real solution. What you want is continuous fighting for the rest of our lives and I think that is unacceptable. AGAIN WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? The status quo has failed. In fact it has fail so bad now Hamas controls Gaza, that is on your side, when you back someone up against a wall sometimes they choose to fight their way out. Don't be surprised. Again your ideas aren't solutions. Eliminate Hamas. Then talk. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Broke. But not violent. A step forward. Eliminate Hamas. Then talk. That isn't how democracy works buddy. What you want is a Palestine you can control, what I want is a country that has only itself to blame for its hardship like the rest of the free-world. You still have not given me a solution after accusing me of a strawman. I will await my apology because you have none. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 But not violent. A step forward. That isn't how democracy works buddy. What you want is a Palestine you can control, what I want is a country that has only itself to blame for its hardship like the rest of the free-world. You still have not given me a solution after accusing me of a strawman. I will await my apology because you have none. It doesn't matter how Hamas is eliminated. Perhaps Morsi could do it. Either way, the rabid dog must be put down. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 It doesn't matter how Hamas is eliminated. Perhaps Morsi could do it. Either way, the rabid dog must be put down. Wont happen. They were a government born of oppression and they wont die until that oppression ends. Again your solution is what again? Nothing just as I thought. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Wont happen. They were a government born of oppression and they wont die until that oppression ends. Again your solution is what again? Nothing just as I thought. You want me to solve Middle East strife on a Thursday afternoon? How much are you paying, again? Meanwhile, all I'm seeing out of you is 'give them Czechoslovakia'. Ah...peace in our time. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 But Hamas does have to go...you know it too. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Yah how is Ireland doing now? That seems like a very real solution. What you want is continuous fighting for the rest of our lives and I think that is unacceptable. AGAIN WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? The status quo has failed. In fact it has fail so bad now Hamas controls Gaza, that is on your side, when you back someone up against a wall sometimes they choose to fight their way out. Don't be surprised. Again your ideas aren't solutions. You have to realize this conflict is a source of entertainment for some people, and has become part of the North American "culture war" between liberals and conservatives. DOP wants the violence to continue, because hes pretty sure mortars and rockets wont land in his own living room, and because peace would be boring. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 It doesn't matter how Hamas is eliminated. Perhaps Morsi could do it. Either way, the rabid dog must be put down. If you want to get rid of groups like Hamas or force them to completely reinvent themselves you need to erode their political support. In order to do this, you need to give palestinians a reason to believe that voting for moderates will will help them achieve their goals. The best way to undermine Hamas is to reward the moderate government in the West Bank. THe best way to strengthen Hamas is for people to see that electing moderates and renouncing violence will acheive nothing. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hudson Jones Posted November 29, 2012 Author Report Posted November 29, 2012 Palestine statehood passes 138-9, with 41 abstaining The "no" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia --- The world has spoken. It's too bad my government put Canada on the wrong side. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
dre Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah too bad Canada had to be one of only 9 countries in the world to vote for perpetual violence for both jews and arabs. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WWWTT Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 It doesn't matter how Hamas is eliminated. Perhaps Morsi could do it. Either way, the rabid dog must be put down. This comment is in poor taste. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 This comment is in poor taste. WWWTT Hamas is in poor taste. Not my comment. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Hamas is in poor taste. Not my comment. Whats in poor taste is your desire to empower groups like Hamas, and strengthen them. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Whats in poor taste is your desire to empower groups like Hamas, and strengthen them. Yeah...ok. I admit it. I created Hamas...lol. What I AM seeing is many decades of terrorism being rewarded by the UN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastal_Road_massacre Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah too bad Canada had to be one of only 9 countries in the world to vote for perpetual violence for both jews and arabs. Frankly the Arabs are the ones who decide for violence. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah, I see the PLO threatened us. Such nice people. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Frankly the Arabs are the ones who decide for violence. They're not giving the Nazi salute. They're just waving hello. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted November 30, 2012 Report Posted November 30, 2012 Yeah, I see the PLO threatened us. Such nice people. They didn't threaten us they used the same words toward us that we used toward them first. STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM! It makes you look stupid. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.