Rue Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Why yes. Quite mad. The notion of holding ourselves and our allies to higher standards than official enemies....well, that's considered outrageous and "unfair"....rather than bespeaking of the elementary morality that every six year old understands. Ah right on schedule like a missle. Arrogance, condescention. The only thing mad or maddening is your double standard. I wouldn't be so quick with the arrogant response where you presume once again in your response that anyone who does not agree with you can be insulted and spit at. In my world double standards including the one you use can not be rationalized or justified by you insulting people. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) 104 killed, and this is a massacre? So how many people have been killed in Syria so far this year? Something like 40,000 isn't it? Odd your distress has not manifested itself with regard to them... It's too bad that you think the unavoidable killing of 100+ civilians is not worthy of our attention. What is happening in Syria is horrific. What is different is that Canada, U.S. and the rest of the Western governments do not support what Assad is doing, while they are justifying Israeli actions. Why should Israel receive impunity? Edited November 21, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Their trial and resulting verdict likely said so, too. Oh, wait --- dumping them in the street and publicly executing them doesn't exactly qualify as a trial, does it? Hamas' idea of justice resembles Israel's. Instead of killing these people without trials and dragging their dead bodies from motorbikes, they should do what Israel does, then maybe you'd e okay with it? They should skip over trials and due process and instead, assassinate people from drones and airplanes and then shrug after killing a few children on the side. Oh wait - Hamas doesn't have jets, drones, tanks and helicopters to do that. Hamas sure is barbaric as compared to the Israeli government. Edited November 21, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Why doesn't Hamas have any jets, drones, tanks and helicopters? Shouldn't Iran give them some. Why is Iran so mean to Hamas? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 Why doesn't Hamas have any jets, drones, tanks and helicopters? Shouldn't Iran give them some. Why is Iran so mean to Hamas? I don't know. Why didn't the Jews have any jets and tanks when the Nazis were killing them? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Because the Nazis needed them to fight Rooskies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Any act that goes against international law, including using people as human shieldsshields should be condemned. Whether it's done by Hamas or it's done by Israel. By the way, taking the words of the IDF that the only reason civilians are being killed because Hamas is hiding behind them turned out to be mostly wrong the last time when the IDF attacked Gaza. In fact, after a thorough investigation into use of human shields in the last Gaza war, it was revealed that the IDF used Palestinians as human shields on a number of occasions. The use of human shields is restricted as according to international law and Israeli law, yet the IDF did it several times during the last war. Goldstone Report - Page 218+ (Us of Human Shield) In fact the Goldstone Report you now try resurrect was proven inaccurate and Goldstone admitted it was. The use of human shields was clearly documented not just by Israel but by Hamas who openly admitted to doing so. The Goldstone Report was exposed and admitted to by Goldstone himself as being misdirected and incomplete and reliant on second hand evidence that proved untrue. Interesting you are oblivious to that. Also interesting y that if you had ever been to Gaza or spoken with Gaza citizens you would know neither they nor Hamas have ever denied what you are trying to. Why would you try deny Hamas uses their citizens as shields when they admit it and their citizens admit it and iots been documented by the Red Cross, UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch? why the selectivity? You think you have any credibility attempting such an arguement and then regurgitating a Goldstone report exposed as inaccurate and by the way which never denied Hamas used civilians as shields and in fact documented it did? What are you proving at this point-that you simply will throw out unsubstantiated arguements that are anti Israeli? At least make an effort to document your claims. You claim Hamas does not use civilians as shields? Really? You are that blind? You have no clue. Gaza is a confined series of blown up and crumbling buildings. Civilians live in the same apartments or on top or underneath explosives factories, weapons depots, Hamas operation centres. Weapons and explosives are stored in hospitals, schools and mosques. Hamas launches rockets from civilian sites and you deny this? Well since you are coming on this forum making unsubstantiated statements how would it be if I do the same and say your name is not Hudson Jones and your posts originate from the same place Bud's did, a site that comes from Hamas and uses aliases to post on discussion forums. Do I need to substantiate that further or should that just pass and be accepted as an example of reasonable discussion? Is that a personal attack on you? Is it not acceptable to say something unsubstantiated about you but if you do it about Israelis, its o.k.? Is that how it works on this forum? Is it acceptable to make unsubstantiated accusations against an entire people but not o.k. when its done about you? Is it o.k. to throw insults out against people we disagree with on this forum calling them 6 year olds as long as we couch it by not referring specifically to the person as Black Dog did? Is it o.k. to insult people indirectly and pass it off as debate but when someone like I do not couch my words it leads to complaints? What does it take to challenge you all to stop talking about people and their suffering if you have not lived it? Where do you or Black Dog or any of the usual anti Israel choir get off presuming what Israel does to defend itself when you have never lived in Israel or Gaza or the West Bank? On what basis do you present your views? I say it again to this forum, for those of you who have not lived there, you can talk all you want but your words are hollow. The fact is and I have seen it and lived with it unlike so many of you passing yourself off as people in the know-you do not know. You do not know where Ashkelon is. You do not know what it means to have to run to a closet and jam people in there and wait for missiles to land and watch your children grow up with emotional and psychological issues. You have no right to lecture Israelis just as you have no right to presume to speak for Palestinians and have the audacity as this "hudson" does of suggesting they are not used as shields. I know the mothers of these shields. I know their fathers, brothers, sisters. They are shields. They blow up just like Israelis caught like Israelis by missile fire. The kind of words that come from Hudson can only come from a person who has so much contempt for the life of Palestinians he would even attemptt o say they are not shields and this is made up. Their blood is real. Their deaths caught being used as shields is real. I can only pray one day someone forcefully takes the anti Zionist choir on this forum and puts them in the same homes as Gaza citizens-the ones they presume to defend. They know nothing about them. They no nothing. They have worse contempt for their predicament then any Zionist they claim hates these people or does not care about them. Israelis know. They know whose blood spills. So do Palestinians. Quote
dre Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Ah right on schedule like a missle. Arrogance, condescention. The only thing mad or maddening is your double standard. I wouldn't be so quick with the arrogant response where you presume once again in your response that anyone who does not agree with you can be insulted and spit at. In my world double standards including the one you use can not be rationalized or justified by you insulting people. Its not a double standard its too different standards, and anyone that expects a terrorist organization to behave the same way as a modern nation state is an idiot. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 That's why it is OK for a modern nation state to bomb terrorists and terrorist organizations. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 That's why it is OK for a modern nation state to bomb terrorists and terrorist organizations. Thats correct, and nobody said anything different. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Great....so what's the over-under spread for an IDF invasion of Gaza ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Great....so what's the over-under spread for an IDF invasion of Gaza ? I dont care enough about CONFLIT: DIRTFARM HOLYLAND to bet any money. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Collection of Qassam rockets fired at Sderot Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 They have stolen its international waters for one thing, and the right to control its borders. How have the Israelis “stolen” the Gaza-Egyptian border? Quote
Sleipnir Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 How have the Israelis “stolen” the Gaza-Egyptian border? Probably a figure of speech. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Hey...I'm watching HGTV's House Hunters International.....they have a few episodes for Israel, but nobody ever seems to want to find their dream home in Gaza ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 How have the Israelis “stolen” the Gaza-Egyptian border? I dont remember saying that. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 Hey...I'm watching HGTV's House Hunters International.....they have a few episodes for Israel, but nobody ever seems to want to find their dream home in Gaza ! If they had HGTV back in the 1940's, I'm sure no one would have wanted to find their dream home in Auschwitz either! Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 Collection of Qassam rockets fired at Sderot Collection of bodies in Gaza Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Less than a year after US condemned Russia for blocking UNSC action on Syria, Obama blocks UNSC statement on Gaza U.S. blocks U.N. Security Council action Israel, Gaza conflict The United States blocked on Tuesday a U.N. Security Council statement condemning the escalating conflict between Israel and the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, setting the scene for a possible showdown between Washington and Russia on the issue. Israel is to the U.S. as Syria is to Russia. Edited November 21, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 If they had HGTV back in the 1940's, I'm sure no one would have wanted to find their dream home in Auschwitz either! Not after Canada and the Allies repeatedly bombed the place. "Innocent civilians" had to perish to destroy the Third Reich. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 Great....so what's the over-under spread for an IDF invasion of Gaza ? The IDF will not invade Gaza. Bibi would not risk losing soldiers and losing the election. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) ...Israel is to the U.S. as Syria is to Russia. No way....Israel and the U.S. are a lot tighter than that. And there is nothing you can do about it. Edited November 21, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 Not after Canada and the Allies repeatedly bombed the place. "Innocent civilians" had to perish to destroy the Third Reich. Auschwitz was not bombed. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Posted November 21, 2012 No way....Israel and the U.S. are a lot tighter than that. And there is nothing you can do about it. You like the collection of bodies photo? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.