Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 Preceding that.... "So, we agree? No more rockets?" "No more rockets." "Okay. We agree? No more rockets." "Yep. Truce. No more rockets." "Okay.I'm going to relax and enjoy the peace." *ROCKETS FIRED INTO ISRAEL* "Israel started it!" Looks like you don't really know the timeline of the events: Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. A dirty action. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Reality: MONDAY, 12 NOVEMBER Palestinian militant factions agree to a truce if Israel ends its attacks. Palestine to Israel: Let's agree to a truce and stop fighting - you go first. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Palestine to Israel: Let's agree to a truce and stop fighting - you go first. It's important that you pay attention: Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. "So, we agree? No more punches?" "No more punches." "Okay. We agree? No more punches." "Yep. Truce. No more punches." "Okay. I'm going for a drive" *BOOM* "Hamas started it!" Edited November 19, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest American Woman Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Show me where Israel agreed to the terms in the draft. Show me where Israel agreed to a truce hours before his assassination. Edited November 20, 2012 by American Woman Quote
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Perhaps Israel didn't trust him - in light of the recent rocket attacks? He was the long time military leader of Hamas, and it was Hamas that was firing the rockets - and had attacked an Israeli mobile patrol inside Israeli territory on November 10. You accused Israel of creating a false security with the peace talks, to bring Jabari out in the open. Are you now going to accuse Palestine of trying to create a false illusion of peace? I'm guessing not ..... My question is what would be the purpose in assassinating someone who had just taken part in peace talks and was bringing that back to the leaders of Gaza? The rest is pure conjecture on your part. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 Show me where Israel agreed to the terms in the draft. Show me where Israel agreed to a truce hours before his assassination. I gave you a link that tells you about it. Here is a link to an interview with Gershon Baskin, who also helped mediate talks between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. GERSHON BASKIN: Well, Jabari, as the leader of the military wing of Hamas, Izz al-Din al-Qassam, was the person who was called on by the Egyptians and by his own leaders to enforce previous ceasefire understandings that were reached between Israel and Hamas after each round of rocket fire emerged over the past years. With the increasing intensity of the rocket fire and the shortening of the periods of ceasefires between myself and my counterpart in Hamas—we worked together on the Shalit prisoner exchange deal—Razi Hamed, the deputy foreign minister, proposed to the parties that they enter into a long-term ceasefire understanding with mechanisms that define what are breaches and what are not breaches and how to deal with emerging situations that are defined by Israel as impending terrorist attacks. I had written a draft about eight months ago. The draft was circulated around to Israeli officials, Hamas officials, the Egyptian intelligence and the United Nations. It was rejected, or it was decided by Hamas and Israel at that time not to decide, not to make a decision on it. About about a month ago, when the intensity of the fighting continued again, Razi Hamed and I decided to give it another chance, and we talked together and tried to make the proposal that I had initially written a little bit less complex, easier to understand or perhaps easier to implement, and it was also designed as a trial period of between six—three to six months. I met Razi Hamed last week in Cairo. We talked about it. He went to begin showing it to the Hamas officials. He showed it to some Hamas officials sitting in Cairo. They told him to go back to Gaza and to show it to the military and political officials back in Gaza, and he did that on Wednesday morning. He was showing it around to Ahmed Jabari and other people. I was supposed to receive from him that evening a copy of the draft that he had written in Arabic for me to deliver to the Israeli side and to the Egyptian intelligence, which I was not able to do in the end. AMY GOODMAN: Because he was assassinated. GERSHON BASKIN: That’s right. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
cybercoma Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Are these maps inaccurate or misleading in some way? I suspect that they are. Edited November 19, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 We had a nice bomb shelter. Growing up we didn’t, but the boys in my Father’s family loved their Anderson Shelter…………My uncle and father turned the Kitchen cupboard doors into bunks……..The cost of the shelter then was about ten bucks…….So what’s that? ~$100 today? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 My question is what would be the purpose in assassinating someone who had just taken part in peace talks and was bringing that back to the leaders of Gaza? The rest is pure conjecture on your part. They saw him crossing his fingers? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 And the campaign by Anonymous: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2012/11/18/20365421.html JERUSALEM - More than 44 million hacking attempts have been made on Israeli government websites since Wednesday when Israel began its Gaza air strikes, the government said on Sunday.Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said just one hacking attempt was successful on a site he did not want to name, but it was up and running after 10 minutes of downtime. Well that ought to learn those Israelis Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Posted November 20, 2012 Are these maps inaccurate or misleading in some way? I suspect that they are. Unfortunately, it is. So is this: Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
cybercoma Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Hudson, I appreciate that you want to hold Israel accountable. Indeed, I feel that they kill Palestinians indiscriminately with their military response. However, Palestine needs to be held accountable for launching attacks from residential areas. Although Israel should respond appropriately given where the attacks are coming from, and they haven't in my opinion, Palestine should be the one that is harshly condemned for using human shields. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 My question is what would be the purpose in assassinating someone who had just taken part in peace talks and was bringing that back to the leaders of Gaza? The rest is pure conjecture on your part. Conjecture based on reality; history. It's not the first time he'd been involved in peace talks. Rockets were still going off. I imagine the purpose in getting him was to get Hamas to lay off. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) I gave you a link that tells you about it. You gave me a link that does not answer my question at all. I'll ask again. Where did Israel agree to a cease fire? Where did Hamas? Show me where Jabari did more than see the draft. Show me where he did more than receive it. This idea that you're presenting that Israel agreed to a truce, that either Israel or Hamas agreed to a truce, and then assassinated him is pure fiction. Edited November 20, 2012 by American Woman Quote
Bryan Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Palestine needs to be held accountable for launching attacks from residential areas. What other areas do they have left that Israel hasn't stolen yet? They are launching their defences from the places they are being attacked by Israel. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 What other areas do they have left that Israel hasn't stolen yet? They are launching their defences from the places they are being attacked by Israel. And why do you think Israel is targeting those places? Quote
Bryan Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 And why do you think Israel is targeting those places? It's ethnic cleansing. Quote
Bonam Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Are these maps inaccurate or misleading in some way? I suspect that they are. Are they misleading? Let me think... are a few pictures with no words of context misleading or not? Naw... couldn't be! Also the 2010 map is a blatant distortion. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 What other areas do they have left that Israel hasn't stolen yet? They are launching their defences from the places they are being attacked by Israel. What part of Gaza have the Israelis stolen? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 It's ethnic cleansing. Really? There are much more efficient ways to do that....just ask the Israelis. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Posted November 20, 2012 You gave me a link that does not answer my question at all. I'll ask again. Where did Israel agree to a cease fire? Where did Hamas? Show me where Jabari did more than see the draft. Show me where he did more than receive it. This idea that you're presenting that Israel agreed to a truce, that either Israel or Hamas agreed to a truce, and then assassinated him is pure fiction. You have the information. The information is loud and clear. Now it looks like you're reaching, because you're not willing to accept the facts since they ruin your narrative. The negotiator in the Galit release case who was in the middle of the truce deal is saying that Hamas and Israel had reached an agreement for a truce but israel decided to assassinate the Hamas man who was responsible for signing off such deals. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Hamas men drag 'Israeli spies' through Gaza City as as yet another truce is hinted at. Six, apparently, were executed out-of-hand by Hamas w/o trial or I imagine real evidence. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) No doubt, since they are not in uniform...they are innocent civilians rather than REAL Hamas men. We do know there were no women involved as they're forbidden from riding motorbikes by Hamas. Edited November 20, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 No doubt, since they are not in uniform...they are innocent civilians rather than REAL Hamas men. We do know there were no women involved as they're forbidden from riding motorbikes by Hamas. War is hell, and there are no real enforceable rules of war. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 You have the information. The information is loud and clear. Now it looks like you're reaching, because you're not willing to accept the facts since they ruin your narrative. The negotiator in the Galit release case who was in the middle of the truce deal is saying that Hamas and Israel had reached an agreement for a truce but israel decided to assassinate the Hamas man who was responsible for signing off such deals. What I'm asking is quite simple. Please quote/post the excerpt from your link that says Hamas and Israel had reached an agreement for a truce. Quote
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