More religious nutjobbery

[Sleipnir]

Ok some of you are saying that Islamic countries are a beacon of human rights and are countries that Canada should model itself from?

Now you're taking people's word and twisting them around.

[The_Squid]

Ok some of you are saying that Islamic countries are a beacon of human rights and are countries that Canada should model itself from?

If no then why are so many of you defending the human rights records of Islamic nations?

Nope. "some of us" didn't say that at all. In fact, no on said that. You are making shit up because your generalizations and bigotry was fully exposed and completely indefensible.

[guyser]

Now you're taking people's word and twisting them around.

Sounds just like someone else who used to do that.

[Merlin]

My friend found this and said I should post it here. It's an index of freedom listed by country and region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World#Middle_East_and_North_Africa

You'll see that almost every Muslim nation is "not free" and a couple are only "partly free" while only Israel is completely free.

Islamic nations are not as free as we are in the west. I hope that this table will help clear that up. I've been reading about these Islamic nations for a while and some of the things happening there are coming to Canada. The Muslims tried once to get Sharia law enacted in Canada, they will try again. They may just wait until they have bred enough children and immigrated enough in order to vote us out. This is terrifying to me.

[The_Squid]

So you went from saying something really stupid and easily refuted.

In Islamic countries laws are almost never able to be changed for any reason.

To saying something much more reasonable, even with a link to back it up.

Islamic nations are not as free as we are in the west.

But you forgot all these Christian nations that aren't free from your same link:

Rwanda, Angola, Cameroon, Zimbabwe, etc, etc - Christian and not free

Here is a cool graph showing the world getting more free:

[Merlin]

Very good news to be sure Squid. The problem is that Islamic rule and Islamic Law are spreading. This is a serious concern. If we weren't allowing immigrants from these places I really wouldn't care but the fact is that we are and with them they bring these backward ways of thinking.

I don't want any more beheadings, honour killings or any more Islamic violence at all. I don't want to see stonings in Canada, this is what scares me. If we're allowing these people to move here from places that allow these practices how can they just switch it off overnight?

One day they live in an Islamic nation where these things are common place the next they are in Canada where we don't do these things. Can these people who have this type of violent lifestyles inbred into them over generations really switch it off like that? Do they want to switch it off? how many Muslim priests are in Canada who are wanting them to continue living in Canada the way they did in the old country?

This is very scary. Western nations are setting themselves up to taken over by Muslim extremists in another 50 years or so simply by them out breeding the population that is currently in those countries.

I like freedom and I only want people to come to Canada if they believe in the same freedoms I do. I don't want my great grandchildren to be living under Sharia Law.

[Mighty AC]

Merlin, do you also have a problem with Christians fighting to enshrine (their interpretations of) biblical rules as law in Western nations?

[The_Squid]

The problem is that Islamic rule and Islamic Law are spreading.

And the world is more free than EVER... so how come your anecdotal rhetoric isn't jiving with real world data? hmmm...

[Merlin]

And the world is more free than EVER... so how come your anecdotal rhetoric isn't jiving with real world data? hmmm...

Countries with large Muslim populations are becoming more extreme not less extreme. Look at Egypt which now has the Muslim Brotherhood in power.

[Merlin]

Look at Europe, the Muslim population is growing and so is the frequency of public beheadings and honour killings.

[The_Squid]

public beheadings in Europe.... LOL

[Michael Hardner]

Look at Europe, the Muslim population is growing and so is the frequency of public beheadings and honour killings.

You need to start backing up these statements of yours. You're making quite a few statements here and they seem to be more based on your admitted phobias.

[Merlin]

You need to start backing up these statements of yours. You're making quite a few statements here and they seem to be more based on your admitted phobias.

That's easy to do, I cannot believe the amount of people who are denying Muslim violence in Europe and the world.

Here is one Muslim who beheaded his wife in Germany.

Sircasi stabbed his wife in the chest and screaming ‘Allahu Akbar Sheytan’ (God is great, you Devil), before severing her head from her body.

http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=48802

Who can forget the artist Theo Van Gough who was beheaded in a Netherland street. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

In 2010 the UK saw a 47% rise in honour-related crimes, and officials working with the police believe the figure to be much higher. http://www.neurope.eu/blog/crimes-dishonour-us-all

More numbers about the rising tide of honor violence across Europe.

"Here in Turkey the figures for 2007 show that over 200 women were killed here in the name of family or community honor, and that is frankly unacceptable in a modern Europe," Austin said. "And it's just the tip of the iceberg: In the United Kingdom; in Germany; in Belgium; in France; in Norway, there is evidence of honor crimes and honor killings."

http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2009-05-21-voa39-68815262/363828.html

91 percent of honour killings are committed by Muslims worldwide. Nothing to do with Islam? Why was Dutch filmmaker and journalist Theo Van Gogh stabbed to death in broad daylight? Why did Seattle cartoonist Molly Norris have to change her identity and go into hiding in her own country at the FBI’srecommendation? Why do Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard and Swedish artist Lars Vilks live under constant police protection? I suppose none of this has anything to do with Islam as well. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43207

91% of honour killings are performed by Muslims worldwide!!! Wow that is a huge number and the bias is so far in favour of Muslims it's beyond scapegoating it represents a problem in the Muslim religion. A problem that moderate voices need to deal with. Where are the moderate Muslim voices anyways? If the moderate Muslims are such a huge number then why haven't we heard them protesting in the streets?

The Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organization revealed last month that 2,823 incidents of “honor” based violence were reported to police across the U.K. last year. The numbers reflect only 39 of the 52 police stations that responded from England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Nine police stations also offered data from the previous year, which revealed a 57 percent increase in honor-based violence from 2009 to 2010.

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/honor-killings-rise-across-europe-and-the-us-66406/#5it6xmARTMxjo7qK.99

Wow, and this is only in the UK that we're talking about, this is a massive number of cases.

What is certain is that Muslim honour violence is on the rise and it wouldn't be if we limited the immigration from these dangerous nations that support the use of honour violence to keep their women in line.

[scribblet]

Merlin, do you also have a problem with Christians fighting to enshrine (their interpretations of) biblical rules as law in Western nations?

What biblical rules are Christians fighting to enshrine? Abortion and gay marriage issues are not necessarily Christian issues, so those two aside, what others ?

[Michael Hardner]

That's easy to do, I cannot believe the amount of people who are denying Muslim violence in Europe and the world.

Individual acts don't cut it Merlin. You make explicit claims at a meta level, so you have to back them up specifically.

This article talks honour killings as a cultural problem, without framing it in the language of blame and fear as you have done on here.

http://www.bikyamasr.com/50215/honor-violence-and-womens-rights-in-the-uk/

There's no reason for you to present these cases in an inflammatory way - it doesn't promote discussion.

[The_Squid]

What biblical rules are Christians fighting to enshrine?

banning what people/business would like to do with their Sundays (Sunday shopping), although this fight was probably lost a while ago...

prayers by mayors/councils at town hall meetings...

pushing schools to not teach evolution or to teach some bogus creation theory as if it were a science....

Those three off the top of my head.... anyone else?

Abortion and gay marriage issues are not necessarily Christian issues, so those two aside, what others ?

How convenient to dismiss these... They ARE Christian issues. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

Edited November 16, 2012 by The_Squid

[Sleipnir]

Merlin suffers from Islamophobia.

Edited November 16, 2012 by Sleipnir

[Merlin]

Merlin suffers from Islamophobia.

If Islamic terror wasn't a worldwide issue I wouldn't be suffering as badly.

[Sleipnir]

If Islamic terror wasn't a worldwide issue I wouldn't be suffering as badly.

lol the media hypes it.

[Smallc]

Sounds just like someone else who used to do that.

Merlin is sounding more and more like someone else.

Edited November 17, 2012 by Smallc

[Guest Derek L]

Merlin is sounding more and more like someone else.

Is that certain someone just on the tip of your tongue too? Wasn’t he the one that use to make videos of the local pride parade and had a daddy complex with men in power? What was his name again? And if I remember correctly, he also claimed to be well versed in bar fights with broken bottles, well also being a “legal firearms owner” that was planning on pilfering others food in the time of a crisis…And to think, this coming from a practicing Jewish-Catholic……..What was his name again? Walker Texas Ranger…nah……..tinker bell…..nope……..Wasn’t it something like Mr Chlamydia?

[kimmy]

I don't know anything about any of that stuff. I just think it's tremendously fortunate that the day after Mr Canada was banned, we get a brand new member who has the exact same views as Mr Canada on every issue. It's almost as though he never left.

-k

[Merlin]

I have read Mr Canada posts and his views are nothing like my own views. Please stop spreading rumors. I am a disabled poor and live in Toronto area. I support different parties at different times including the NDP at times. Please stop it, I found this website while searching Google. If my own joining coincided with another members banning that is merely coincidental, nothing more. Please stop the rumors, I don't do that to other members, it isn't fair.

[Guest Derek L]

I don't know anything about any of that stuff. I just think it's tremendously fortunate that the day after Mr Canada was banned, we get a brand new member who has the exact same views as Mr Canada on every issue. It's almost as though he never left.

-k

It’s almost like a Christmas Miracle, but without all the fun stuff

[Mighty AC]

What biblical rules are Christians fighting to enshrine? Abortion and gay marriage issues are not necessarily Christian issues, so those two aside, what others ?

Abortion, equal rights for homosexuals, removal of contraception coverage, the "Protect a Life Act" which allows a doctor to let a woman die if saving her means harming a fetus, the rewriting of history and science curriculum to include or positively frame Christian beliefs, the endorsement of the death penalty for rebellious kids, attempts to ban stem cell research...