Smallc Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 To put this in context, one of the vehicles they took over was a not at all new Chevrolet Suburban. Not exactly luxury (yes, the other was a new Cadillac). Quote
wyly Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 To put this in context, one of the vehicles they took over was a not at all new Chevrolet Suburban. Not exactly luxury (yes, the other was a new Cadillac). I don't think the value of the vehicles is the issue, it's the cost of transport and were they needed at all if India offered acceptable replacements...bev oda's career ended due to OJ and limo rides most canadians were not pleased with her excess...how much does it cost to transport two vehicles to india (Oda's excesses come nowhere near this expense) and were they needed at all, these are questions we have a right to ask...if the Indians are lying about their offer of secure transport let's hear that evidence... if the RCMP can show the Indian vehicles were substandard let's see that too...if the those questions are answered satisfactorily then the issue can be dismissed ... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 They can't answer those questions. The Indians would be insulted, and it would create an incident. In an unsecured place, the only way to ensure some semblance of security is to bring your own equipment. That way you know that there are no bugs, no bombs, and no problems. Quote
wyly Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 yet there is an Indian source saying the PM version isn't true...so maybe it's the Indians not wanting to put harper in an awkward position.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) yet there is an Indian source saying the PM version isn't true What would be reason of taking over a simple armoured Cadillac and an old Suburban then? Why would anyone do that if not for security reasons (this isn't, btw, the first time that Canada has flown in a car for the PM to use)? The Indian source said that they offered armoured Mercedes, but, as I said, there is only one way to ensure a bug free and safe ride. Edited November 9, 2012 by Smallc Quote
wyly Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 bugs? don't say anything ... safe ride? Mercedes aren't safe, really? Cadillac and Chev build better safer cars than Mercedes? I don't think so... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 bugs? don't say anything ... safe ride? Mercedes aren't safe, really? Cadillac and Chev build better safer cars than Mercedes? I don't think so... The point was that there are a great deal of unknowns with someone else's cars. Not so with your own. That's most likely why they took them. Quote
wyly Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 that could be true but that's not the conflicting explanation that's been given....the PMO says the Indians didn't have suitable armored cars at all locations, Indian sources say that isn't true they had 1st class transport/protection everywhere the pm was going... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) that could be true but that's not the conflicting explanation that's been given....the PMO says the Indians didn't have suitable armored cars at all locations, The word I bolded is the important one. Obviously the RCMP didn't think that they were suitable. Edited November 9, 2012 by Smallc Quote
guyser Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 ... Cadillac and Chev build better safer cars than Mercedes? I don't think so... At the level those vehicles are used for diplomats, they are pretty much all the same as respects safety Quote
scribblet Posted November 9, 2012 Report Posted November 9, 2012 Still going on about it, sheer pettiness. Look at it this way. This security detail is a whole lot cheaper than a state funeral and ensuing enquiries. The media would be first in line absolutely outraged over why better security precautions were not taken. Never mind, carry on. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
login Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) What would be reason of taking over a simple armoured Cadillac and an old Suburban then? Why would anyone do that if not for security reasons (this isn't, btw, the first time that Canada has flown in a car for the PM to use)? The Indian source said that they offered armoured Mercedes, but, as I said, there is only one way to ensure a bug free and safe ride. Yes because a shipping company can't bug a car, there is something called EM sensors that can detect bugs there are also devices that allow short range communication without external vocalization (such as throat sensors with send/receive. The idea of sending the cars over is rediculous as the cost of shipment to and from india is far too high when there are already local resources, that could have anonymously been obtained. see http://www.opticspla...phone-mt90.html along with a "sheildedfibre connected communications s/r" paired with white noise and/or high decible and same decible accoutic interferance. http://solutions.3m....0K8BC31gv)&rt=d cause boom mics don't exist right.. bugs such a stupid reason no one with half a brain would beleive that. Edited November 10, 2012 by login Quote
Smallc Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 It was shipped by the Royal Canadian Air Force... Quote
wyly Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 It was shipped by the Royal Canadian Air Force... and what's the price of that, it's not cheap... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 Still going on about it, sheer pettiness. Look at it this way. This security detail is a whole lot cheaper than a state funeral and ensuing enquiries. The media would be first in line absolutely outraged over why better security precautions were not taken. Never mind, carry on. ya bev Oda's OJ was petty and her hotel upgrades, as were the limo rides but at least she hired local and didn't fly her limo's in.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 and what's the price of that, it's not cheap... That was the only way to guarantee safety. That reinforces the reason. Quote
login Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) That was the only way to guarantee safety. That reinforces the reason. Couldn't he just have said, "your people want to kill me, come play at my house." I got a phone for christmas, how about you? Do you use phones? This sets a bad presedence, if the PM isn't "safe" in India we will be flying in a car everywhere he goes. Like the Phillpenes has a guerilla war, and did he bring a car there. What about China, where embassy vehicles were attacked, or Israel where people and terrorist attacks still happen, or france where terrorist cells are occassionally broken up, I could go on and on, but India is not particullary a dangerous country. He could dress in a cow costume and be safer than he is on the hill. It would be a wonderfully symbolic act that Canadians could identify with the trip to Asia. Edited November 10, 2012 by login Quote
Smallc Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 Sometimes the RCMP has a car flown in, and sometimes, they don't. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) I really think it's futile and shows a level of pettiness on the part of the NDP to question the RCMP's security decisions. I don't know why they made that decisions and neither do the rest of us or anybody else, other than those involved, so it's ridiculous to speculate. They saw a need for moving the vehicles there and they did. If it's a security concern for the Prime Minister, we're not going to find out the reasons. Edited November 10, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Merlin Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 This sets a bad presedence, if the PM isn't "safe" in India we will be flying in a car everywhere he goes. It would be a wonderfully symbolic act that Canadians could identify with the trip to Asia. Sorry but we shouldn't be letting terrorists dictate to us where we go and when. If you have a problem with the security detail I suggest that you call the RCMP to complain as politicians have nothing to do with security decisions made by the RCMP. The PM gives the RCMP their itinerary and the RCMP make it safe to happen.You do understand that the RCMP protect the PM and his family outside of the country too right? Quote
scribblet Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 They do know that but prefer not to accept the reality. Better to blame Harper for it. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
wyly Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 They do know that but prefer not to accept the reality. Better to blame Harper for it. as you refuse to accept the real issue and continually deflect away from it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
scribblet Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 as you refuse to accept the real issue and continually deflect away from it... Really, the issue as said in the OP, is making a big deal out of the RCMP decision to taking an amoured car to India to protect the PM of Canada. The reality is it was not Mr. Harper but the RCMP who made that decision based on their assessments of the situation, that's all, the rest is hyperbole. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
PIK Posted November 10, 2012 Author Report Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) They do know that but prefer not to accept the reality. Better to blame Harper for it. Good point the democrats have ''blame bush'' so the left up here should also have thier slogan of ''blame harper'' So the left better get use to USING that slogan for the next 10 years. LMFAO Edited November 10, 2012 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
wyly Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 Really, the issue as said in the OP, is making a big deal out of the RCMP decision to taking an amoured car to India to protect the PM of Canada. The reality is it was not Mr. Harper but the RCMP who made that decision based on their assessments of the situation, that's all, the rest is hyperbole. you're still avoiding the issue moving the goalposts building an alternate reality... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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