bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Then that demonstrates a fundamental failure in America. Then it is a failure that is accepted. American budgets were not balanced for WW2 either. Is that a bad thing? And you continue to not understand that positions are nuanced and not black and white. This format does not support such parsing and teasing of every position. In the end, I don't care what Canada does with its budget, but you are very interested in what happens "south of the border"....I guess because you think it is important. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 That's an old story and usually blamed on Democrats. there's no evidence it ever really happened, though. Sure, he's lying about it then, I guess. I actually heard him say it. He's quite adamant that it happened. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 I need a copy of BlackDog's Haha pic. BC2004, can you say L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E in American? He didn't win by a landslide. Have you looked at the popular vote numbers? Quote
Smallc Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Then it is a failure that is accepted. American budgets were not balanced for WW2 either. Is that a bad thing? There has to come a time when budgets deficits are at least smaller then economic growth. Otherwise, there is a problem somewhere down the line. This format does not support such parsing and teasing of every position. In the end, I don't care what Canada does with its budget, but you are very interested in what happens "south of the border"....I guess because you think it is important. It's quite clear that you personally are far more interested in what happens in Canada than you'll ever admit. That's not my problem. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 There has to come a time when budgets deficits are at least smaller then economic growth. Otherwise, there is a problem somewhere down the line. Good, you are admitting that budget deficits do not have to be eliminated. It's quite clear that you personally are far more interested in what happens in Canada than you'll ever admit. That's not my problem. No, I only care about the fretting over what happens in the USA as evidenced here. It is a nuanced thing that perhaps you don't understand. I don't know or care about the status of Canada's federal or provincial budgets. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Obama. He does not need popular vote. He needs to retain electoral votes in key high electoral vote regions. I believe he will do that. Oh gee looks like I got it right. That was difficult. Let's all tout our praises on this thread now. He took states he had too, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado,Minnesota and Wisconsin not to mention Pennsylvania making Florida and the mid west adn Southern states a moot point. If you can get New York, New Jersey, Mass, Pennsylvania, California which are high pop states, it makes it imperative as a Republican to get Florida and Ohio. NBC and Fox had it early last night. So did Diane Sawyer who although drunk or something still made more sense then most of the geniuses on this forum. Ryan losing Wisconsin was not supposed to happen. How did Romney not sweep Massachuesetts if he was such a great Goevrnor and conciliator? Simple. He pissed off Latinos,blacks, women, gays, the poor, the middle class, hurricane survivors, auto workers.Guess that was more than 47% of the population. His elitism just didn't resonate in the cities. Might work in rural America where one does not have crime and unemployment directly in their face just down the road in another county. Good riddance to Romney. Lying phony bastard. The House of Rep will stalemate any initiatives Obama tries to make. Its still gonna be a jam tryingt o pass bills. Edited November 7, 2012 by Rue Quote
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 It takes two to tango. Exactly. When your tango partner decides to flop over and drag her feet (The Republicans), it makes it impossible to solve anything. Quote
Smallc Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Exactly. When your tango partner decides to flop over and drag her feet (The Republicans), it makes it impossible to solve anything. Flopping over and dragging her feet would have been an improvement on her part. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 We can see the same thing happening here with both sides of the House being more interested in "winning" than coming to negotiated solutions. It's appalling and no way to run a country. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Good riddance to Romney. Lying phony bastard. I don't think he was more or less lying than other politicians, including Democrats. The Dems were smart enough to run dirty television ads hitting at hot button issues. Why not ? They invented that game (See LBJ vs Goldwater) Next step is for Obama to take another page out of LBJ's book and promise pork to congress to get his bills through. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Moonlight Graham Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 I think this election is going to be darn close. I'll predict Obama, since he ran the better campaign, has a bit of momentum and he just has more ways to win in the electoral college. I think Mitt could have done so much better if he played it a bit more moderate and hammered Obama better on the economy (Paul Ryan's budget plan has been a burden to the campaign). But if Mitt nabs a win I certainly wouldn't be surprised. edit: Just looking at polls and the electoral college makeup, it's more likely that Obama will win. Given the states widely held to be a toss up, Obama has a lot more ways to win than Romney. Vindication! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 I don't think he was more or less lying than other politicians, including Democrats. If PolitiFact is to be believed, Romney sure as heck was more lying than other politicians.... a LOT more lying. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 If PolitiFact is to be believed, Romney sure as heck was more lying than other politicians.... a LOT more lying. Yep. This "everybody does it" doesn't amount to everyone doing it to the same degree. Quote
Smallc Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 I don't think he was more or less lying than other politicians, including Democrats. Then you would be wrong. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 But the problem is, they aren't strawman cries. We want our country back, he's not one of us, this is the most radical president in history, he wasn't born here, he's a socialist, he's a communist, he's the most divisive president in American history. I'm sorry, but all of this is rooted in the fact that he's black and has little if anything to do with his policies. Until that's acknowledged.... I think some of it is, but calling him a socialist/communist, a radical, a divisive president...I don't see this as primarily racist. The "he wasn't born here" thing may have some racist tones from some, as well as him being Muslim. No doubt there are GOP supporters who are racist, but it's really hard to separate racism from good ol fashion partisan bashing. Point is some of it is racist, some of it isn't, how can we really tell? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Smallc Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 We can tell because it's never been quite like this before. Obama is crapped on like no one has ever been. There's a reason, and it isn't hard to see. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 We can tell because it's never been quite like this before. Obama is crapped on like no one has ever been. There's a reason, and it isn't hard to see. Yes...some people actually have the nerve to call him "black". And of course, President Bush was never "crapped on" like President Obama. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Vindication! OK...but I called it for President Obama back in February: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20253&st=15#entry757355 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 We can tell because it's never been quite like this before. Obama is crapped on like no one has ever been. There's a reason, and it isn't hard to see. He wasn't crapped on like Bush Jr. We can also say that the partisan ideological divide in the US has rarely been at the divisive level it's at now. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
wyly Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Then you would be wrong. every time he flip flopped he was telling another lie... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 He wasn't crapped on like Bush Jr. But he was. More than that even. I listen to US talk radio in the car, both liberal and conservative. It's unbelievable. We can also say that the partisan ideological divide in the US has rarely been at the divisive level it's at now. Why is that? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 He wasn't crapped on like Bush Jr. Agreed...President Bush was routinely called a "moron", "shrub", and "chimpanzee" (by many in this forum). Such comparisons made about President Obama would have been met with "racist" outrage. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) We can tell because it's never been quite like this before. Obama is crapped on like no one has ever been. There's a reason, and it isn't hard to see. It has been shown that there was an unprecedented surge in Right-Wing extremist groups and militias following the election of Barack Obama. Say what you want about the organization that's publishing the numbers, but the numbers show that there is a marked increase in these groups. It's tough to say that it's the election of a democrat that caused it, since there was no such increase with the election of a democratic president in the 90s. Clearly there is some element of a racist backlash against Barack Obama's presidency. Denial of that fact is to embrace ignorance. You can not only see it in the way the vote is divided almost exactly along the Mason-Dixon (plus slavery supporting states), but also the Southern Strategy of the GOP is hardly a secret. The GOP's support comes from old white people, while the Democrats have a wide margin amongst young multi-cultural voters. It's quite obvious from the statistical characteristics of the last two presidential elections that race is of the utmost importance right now, but tacitly so. It's the issue that no one will talk about, but it's the issue that has shaped federal politics more than anything else when you look at the numbers. America is facing a Cold Civil War right now and few people are acknowledging that. Edited November 7, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 Oh goody...just like Quebec and TROC language wars? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted November 7, 2012 Report Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Oh goody...just like Quebec and TROC language wars? No. Not like that at all, but thanks for your insightful and topical Canadian politics reference yet again in the US politics forum. Edited November 7, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
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