Mr.Canada Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I just want to deal with the facts and numbers here. the left is all in our faces everyday with facts so lets give them some facts and numbers to back up this up. 311 Million people in the USA 2.5 million Muslims 58% of Muslims in the United States do not believe "that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted" 1.45 million Muslims in the US believe this.45% of Muslims in America believe that those who do criticize Islam or Muhammad should face "criminal charges," 1.125 million Muslims in the US believe this.12% of Muslims in America believe that anyone who criticizes Islam should be put to death. 300,000 Muslims in the US believe this. 43% believe it should be illegal IN THE UNITED STATES for a Christian to share his faith with a Muslim 1.075 million Muslims in the US believe this.32% firmly believe that Sharia — not our Constitution — should be "the supreme law of the land in the US." 800,000 Muslims in the US believe this.Source This should be of great concern that so many Muslims in the US harbor such views. 300,000 Muslims in the US thinks we should be killed for criticizing Islam? Wow. The left is always falling all over themselves to support the down trodden and beat up Muslims around the world. The very people they support have beliefs such as these. Do they know about this and simply don't care or are they being duped by these people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm sorry but this screams bias. "WND Faith commissioned" this - and furthermore the methodology isn't published. If you want some real studies go to some respected firms: Gallup and PewResearch http://www.newsmax.com/US/gallup-muslim-americans-poll/2011/08/02/id/405835 http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Sorry Michael but Muslims are not some benign faith that loves all people. It is becoming increasingly violent and militant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Mr. Canada - we have heard that before but there`s no evidence for "increasingly" violent, and your unsubstantiated opinions on that religion aren't any more interesting to me than whether you like lasagna or not. If we're talking about some kind of policy change here that you *think* would be a good idea, then you have to convince people in some other way. That's called discussion. If I didn't like lasagna, I couldn't be convinced to try it again by you just saying "it's good". People tend to not like outsiders and newcomers - it happened with the Irish, with the Jews, with the English and French and Indians. When people criticize other cultures, they tend to assume that their own culture is the ideal, then they work backwards to justify why other cultures are not as "good" That's been the case with almost all the posts I have seen on MLW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 facts don't lie. That is what another socialist poster said so I too will say it. Facts do not lie. Don't try to twist things here. The majority of Muslims are voting for Obama because Obama will make criticism of Islam illegal. The first amendment will not protect this criticism of Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 You're trolling. Stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 facts don't lie. That is what another socialist poster said so I too will say it. Facts do not lie. Don't try to twist things here. The majority of Muslims are voting for Obama because Obama will make criticism of Islam illegal. The first amendment will not protect this criticism of Islam. But Obama is a Christian. You can blame much of the MSM for buying into the Islam=threat view. It's the difference in how violence is reported and portrayed in the MSM when talking about specific groups. Most people who say Islam is bad, and we have quite a few of those people here. However, there is more violence between Muslims and the various factions (Shiite vs Sunni as an example) as there is violence from Muslims to non-Muslims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 But Obama is a Christian. You can blame much of the MSM for buying into the Islam=threat view. It's the difference in how violence is reported and portrayed in the MSM when talking about specific groups. Most people who say Islam is bad, and we have quite a few of those people here. However, there is more violence between Muslims and the various factions (Shiite vs Sunni as an example) as there is violence from Muslims to non-Muslims. That post reads rewriting. Most people who say Islam is bad, and we have quite a few of those people here. However...(?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 facts don't lie. That is what another socialist poster said so I too will say it. Facts do not lie. Don't try to twist things here. The majority of Muslims are voting for Obama because Obama will make criticism of Islam illegal. The first amendment will not protect this criticism of Islam. Right - so provide us some facts and we will move forward. Obama will make criticism of Islam illegal ? That is one of the most ridiculous statements you have made here yet. How exactly do you think he proposes to get a super majority of congress/states to approve this ? And what is his motivation ? Seriously, this idea is just vacuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 He's trolling. It isn't the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 That post reads rewriting. I am sure you meant that the post 'needs' rewriting. And if so, please feel free to explain why it needs rewriting. But are you not one of those posters who constantly posts 'Islam is bad', or is that just my perception as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm sorry but this screams bias. "WND Faith commissioned" this - and furthermore the methodology isn't published. If you want some real studies go to some respected firms: Gallup and PewResearch http://www.newsmax.c...08/02/id/405835 http://pewresearch.o...m-americans.pdf Those links do nothing to refute the stats in the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) I am sure you meant that the post 'needs' rewriting. And if so, please feel free to explain why it needs rewriting. But are you not one of those posters who constantly posts 'Islam is bad', or is that just my perception as well? Indded. (sic) The part of your post I quoted was an incomplete thought. What are you saying again? Edited November 2, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Plus, Islam does suck and in a free country such as Canada I am currently able to make such a statement. When Islam has more influence in Canada, perhaps it will be able to make statements like "Islam sucks eggs" a crime. and you can visit me in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 got to love a poll commissioned by Wenzel Strategies/Citizens United Poll which also puts romney ahead of obama in ohio even though most other polls say the opposite. bonam's response to this poll, reminds me of his response and support of the poll which shows that israelis' widespread support for apartheid and the ethnic cleansing of palestinians. bonam is such a die hard! oh and i love mr. canada and his colbert-esque approach to debating. he manages to flush out all the Resident Right Wing Nutjobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I'm sorry but this screams bias. "WND Faith commissioned" this - and furthermore the methodology isn't published. Do you have any evidence that Wenzel Strategies is biased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 No, but they were clearly commissioned by an agenda driven organization, I have not heard of them, and no methodology was given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 No, but they were clearly commissioned by an agenda driven organization, I have not heard of them, and no methodology was given. The yasked a question to Muslims and got an answer, they recorded the answer. I don't see what's hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 That indicates naivite on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Those links do nothing to refute the stats in the original post. That wasn't my intention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) No, but they were clearly commissioned by an agenda driven organization, I have not heard of them, and no methodology was given. So do you think the reputation of those commissioning the poll determine whether or not the poll itself is biased? It was a national telephone poll; 600 American Muslims who plan to vote in the Presidential Election were polled Oct. 22-26, and the results carry a margin of error of plus or minus 3.98 percentage points. http://www.wnd.com/f...elMuslimsQ8.pdf Edited November 2, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 No - but I don't believe everything I read either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 (edited) No - but I don't believe everything I read either. So you just believe what you want to believe? Note that I provided the methodology with the margin of error. No comment? Edited November 2, 2012 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 There's no mention of how the samples were picked. That was suspicious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Mr. Canada - we have heard that before but there`s no evidence for "increasingly" violent, and your unsubstantiated opinions on that religion aren't any more interesting to me than whether you like lasagna or not. I 10,000 terrorist acts committed in the name of Islam since 9/11 aren't a pretty good indication for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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