login Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Since Canada is getting dumped on too, just thought I'd check to see if anyone thinks there will be effects, eg. putting the reserves on standby for flooding, power outages etc.. sure perhaps only 100km/h winds and 100mm of rain here in Ontario and only indirect colatoral so far in Wawa, but I don't get the feeling anyone thinks this will be more than a thunder storm. Apparently lake Erie may see 20+foot waves. Is this worth discussion? The red cross said people in Ontario should stock up on a few days of food, batteries etc.. is this any different then donate blood? Anything gonna happen? http://www.thepeterb...a-in-its-sights http://www.lfpress.c...a-in-its-sights Edited October 28, 2012 by login Quote
cybercoma Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 It's not going to be that big of a deal. These things go through the Atlantic provinces every year and it's only once in awhile that things become truly destructive. Quote
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 I think the possibility of it combining with a storm that originates in North West Canada is causing some concern. Unpredictable is the word I seem to be hearing the most. Quote
PIK Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 To bad the unions will not allow power lines to be buried, alot less problems for people during the storms. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Looks like this thing is going far south of the GTA. If you're next to Lake Ontario and Erie you might have some wind problems but nothing too serious. We'll be spared the heavy rain, which is good considering it's been pretty much raining here non-stop since late Friday Afternoon. Things could be bad in populated parts of the US Northeast: Pennsylvania, Virginia, DC, New Jersey, NYC etc. Quote
Wild Bill Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Odds are it won't be nearly as bad as the radio and TV weatherpeople are making it out to be. They all seem to be desperately trying to become real news anchors and so always exaggerate. That being said, don't be surprised to hear Adam Vaughn, one of Toronto's councillors, start whining to call in the army! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
GostHacked Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 Well over the past year I have gotten things together to prepare for emergencies and disasters. Plan for the worst hope for the best. These are the events you plan for but never hope to actually experience. Quote
wyly Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Odds are it won't be nearly as bad as the radio and TV weatherpeople are making it out to be. They all seem to be desperately trying to become real news anchors and so always exaggerate. That being said, don't be surprised to hear Adam Vaughn, one of Toronto's councillors, start whining to call in the army! as it should be...underestimating storms gets people killed...being complacent and unprepared for the worst isn't smart.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Wild Bill Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 as it should be...underestimating storms gets people killed...being complacent and unprepared for the worst isn't smart.... Well, it can be hard to strike a balance. Hyberbole brings its own problems. Crying wolf too many times strains credibility and people stop listening. That's just human nature. Also, unnecessary preparation can be not only inconvenient but damned expensive. Murphy's Law would imply that people will eventually become complacent of false alarms. THAT is when there WILL be a wolf at the door! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Sleipnir Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 Looks like this thing is going far south of the GTA. If you're next to Lake Ontario and Erie you might have some wind problems but nothing too serious. Are you accounting for seiches near those lakes? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
wyly Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Well, it can be hard to strike a balance. Hyberbole brings its own problems. Crying wolf too many times strains credibility and people stop listening. That's just human nature. Also, unnecessary preparation can be not only inconvenient but damned expensive. Murphy's Law would imply that people will eventually become complacent of false alarms. THAT is when there WILL be a wolf at the door! and your cliche's "wolves and mr murphy" are just cliches, worthless.. the.japanese ignored the dangers of historic precedences of enormous tsunami's and paid a price not planning for a repeat event...not paying attention can't be blamed on your "wolf" factor ignoring warnings is just plain stupid, these events will happen...Vancouver will be hit with level 9 earthquake and possibly a tsunami...there will be another pandemic...there will other killer hurricanes... so we shouldn't plan for those events because hey we wouldn't want to ridicule officials and the media for "crying wolf"...scoffing at precautionary warnings and preparatory measures is just foolish and false bravado that gets people killed... Odds are it won't be nearly as bad as the radio and TV weatherpeople are making it out to be first post storm stats-20 billion dollars in damage and 48 dead, sounds like it was as bad as it was made out to be... Edited October 31, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 as it should be...underestimating storms gets people killed...being complacent and unprepared for the worst isn't smart.... Good advise wyly! Canadians are very blessed to live in a country that has been sheltered from so many environmental disasters. As well our geographical proximity to the solid Canadian shield has kept Canada for the most part seismically stable. This has give many a sense of security that can come crashing down hard. I wouldn't be so quick to assume our luck will always be unlimited. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Boges Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Good advise wyly! Canadians are very blessed to live in a country that has been sheltered from so many environmental disasters. As well our geographical proximity to the solid Canadian shield has kept Canada for the most part seismically stable. This has give many a sense of security that can come crashing down hard. I wouldn't be so quick to assume our luck will always be unlimited. WWWTT Isn't Winnipeg constantly threatened with flooding? Quebec had a major Ice Storm a bit over a decade ago. The East Coast of Lake Huron is always threatened with major Lake Effect Snow. Atlantic Canada faces the threat of Hurricanes on occasion. I'd like to think the people who founded York (Toronto) did it because they knew something about weather and that putting a city at the north side of Lake Ontario would lead to a region that's relatively sheltered from really bad weather. There were some tornadoes in the GTA 3 years back but the Toronto area does often avoid the worst weather that places nearby often suffer from. Quote
login Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Posted October 31, 2012 wow I'm happy it was pretty light, and temperatures stayed above 0, good thing we have global warming to help us against another ice storm caused by a tropical storm and freezing weather. Quote
wyly Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 after the Japanese earthquake there was a report on a old sign/rock on a hillside in a coastal location Kesennuma where the latest tsunami struck...the sign 600 years old erected after an earlier tsunami... it said in Japanese "High dwellings are the peace and harmony of our descendants, remember the calamity of the great tsunamis. Do not build any homes below this point."...it was ignored and the area below that level was again devastated by a tsunami I believe most of the dead are from this location... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
TimG Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 it was ignored and the area below that level was again devastated by a tsunami I believe most of the dead are from this location.Any in your world the land below that point should have been left unoccupied for 600 years? You need to learn about risk analysis. Many times the risk of an adverse outcome is much smaller than harm caused by avoiding the risk. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Well, it can be hard to strike a balance. Hyberbole brings its own problems. Crying wolf too many times strains credibility and people stop listening. That's just human nature. Also, unnecessary preparation can be not only inconvenient but damned expensive. Murphy's Law would imply that people will eventually become complacent of false alarms. THAT is when there WILL be a wolf at the door! It might be expensive, and it might be inconvenient, but when it comes to an emergency, you will be glad you spent the cash and inconvenienced yourself now to be prepared later when the crisis hits. It's one of those moments you prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Call it a piece of mind. While everyone else is struggling and panicking, you can ride out the storm in some form of comfort. Quote
wyly Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 you need to learn about mathematical/geological probability...earthquakes and tsunamis occurrence in japan are 100% guaranteed...the mathematical probability of another major earthquake and tsunami hitting Kesennuma 100%...the probability of Vancouver being hit by a major earthquake and tsunami are also 100%...but because of your brilliant risk analysis theory it can't be predicted to happen in the next 30 seconds so no preparations for that event need be made... ya that's just so smart... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
login Posted October 31, 2012 Author Report Posted October 31, 2012 Speaking of being prepared... could get worse... http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/10/31/f-climate-sandy-superstorm.html Apparently the more sea levels rise the bigger chance of increased flooding ... what use to be a once in a century event, atleast in New York may become more common. Also note that these sorts of storms would occur due to "change" in the gulf caused by the BP Deep Water Horizon Oil leak that results in the climate model shifting out of the gulf and into the Atlantic.... Quote
wyly Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It might be expensive, and it might be inconvenient, but when it comes to an emergency, you will be glad you spent the cash and inconvenienced yourself now to be prepared later when the crisis hits. It's one of those moments you prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Call it a piece of mind. While everyone else is struggling and panicking, you can ride out the storm in some form of comfort. I learned from my days of living saskatchewan winters to always carry extra warm clothes in my car, don't go the highway without a full tank and a spare... have alternate ways to heat and light my home when the power goes out...I should stock a months worth of extra food and water but I can never manage that ...I think being prepared is just common sense and people who don't are foolish and complacent... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
TimG Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) earthquakes and tsunamis occurrence in japan are 100% guaranteed...the mathematical probability of another major earthquake and tsunami hitting Kesennuma 100% Simplistic thinking. Japan invested heavily in seawalls and emergency planning. Many of the people who died were on the third and forth floor of buildings designated as tsunamis shelters. The fact it is impossible to mitigate all possible risks and sometimes you just need to stop whining and accept the fact that bad things will eventually happen no matter how much you spend on prevention. Edited October 31, 2012 by TimG Quote
TimG Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 .I should stock a months worth of extra food and water but I can never manage thatGee. wyly accepts risk because the personal cost is too high but when it comes to governments cost is no object! Why shouldn't governments be follow the same economic rules that you apply to your personal life? Quote
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Isn't Winnipeg constantly threatened with flooding? Quebec had a major Ice Storm a bit over a decade ago. The East Coast of Lake Huron is always threatened with major Lake Effect Snow. Atlantic Canada faces the threat of Hurricanes on occasion. I'd like to think the people who founded York (Toronto) did it because they knew something about weather and that putting a city at the north side of Lake Ontario would lead to a region that's relatively sheltered from really bad weather. There were some tornadoes in the GTA 3 years back but the Toronto area does often avoid the worst weather that places nearby often suffer from. How many people die every year in Canada compared to other countries? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 Any in your world the land below that point should have been left unoccupied for 600 years? You need to learn about risk analysis. Many times the risk of an adverse outcome is much smaller than harm caused by avoiding the risk. Easy to say when you are the one not taking any risk. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2012 Report Posted October 31, 2012 It might be expensive, and it might be inconvenient, but when it comes to an emergency, you will be glad you spent the cash and inconvenienced yourself now to be prepared later when the crisis hits. It's one of those moments you prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Call it a piece of mind. While everyone else is struggling and panicking, you can ride out the storm in some form of comfort. Well said. Some people forget that their life should be the most important thing! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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