Winnipeg police chief touts prayer to help combat crime

[Sleipnir]

Please keep in mind that doing crime is not exclusive to non-believers. If the chief coud reach out to those believers to remember their faith - thus maintaining cooler heads and not to succumb to the temptation to sin - that alone would most probably help reduce crime.

Its based on principle, the police force needs to be secular to ensure that there would be no display of preference of one religion over another. Again, to preach vocally belongs to the nuns, priests, rabbi, imams, etc.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Sleipnir

[betsy]

Its based on principle, the police force needs to be secular to ensure that there would be no display of preference of one religion over another. Again, to preach vocally belongs to the nuns, priests, rabbi, imams, etc.

The Police Chief was a former Chaplain. Are you saying he shouldn't have gotten the job as a police chief?

[Sleipnir]

The Police Chief was a former Chaplain. Are you saying he shouldn't have gotten the job as a police chief?

All I'm saying that if you put on a police uniform you should refrain from making religious gestures in public.

[betsy]

All I'm saying that if you put on a police uniform you should refrain from making religious gestures in public.

He was interviewed by a Christian magazine. He hasn't lost his right to free expression of belief. If we're talking principles, we shouldn't forget the fact that we are in a democratic society.

[Sleipnir]

He was interviewed by a Christian magazine. He hasn't lost his right to free expression of belief. If we're talking principles, we shouldn't forget the fact that we are in a democratic society.

He can express his belief out of his uniform, not while he's wearing it.

[The_Squid]

I wonder if the Chief believes that in addition to prayer, maybe a voodoo spell might help the crime rate too... what about a native dance ceremony? Perhaps rubbing the tummy of Buddha might help! All these things have proven to be equally as effective as prayer. Why doesn't the Chief promote those too?

[Guest American Woman]

I wonder if the Chief believes that in addition to prayer, maybe a voodoo spell might help the crime rate too... what about a native dance ceremony? Perhaps rubbing the tummy of Buddha might help! All these things have proven to be equally as effective as prayer. Why doesn't the Chief promote those too?

Wow. And I'm betting that you think you're the enlightened one.

[The_Squid]

Wow. And I'm betting that you think you're the enlightened one.

First, I never claimed to be enlightened.

You don't think voodoo spells work as well as prayers? What's your issue with my post? Be specific.

[cybercoma]

First, I never claimed to be enlightened.

You don't think voodoo spells work as well as prayers? What's your issue with my post? Be specific.

Her issue is that Christianity is Right, while all those other religious are just bats*** crazy.

[Guest American Woman]

First, I never claimed to be enlightened.

You don't think voodoo spells work as well as prayers? What's your issue with my post? Be specific.

I didn't say that you did claim to be - and my issue with your post is how badly you are misrepresenting what the chief said, not to mention your belief that you have the answer as to whether or not prayer works.

Her issue is that Christianity is Right, while all those other religious are just bats*** crazy.

I don't know why you so often feel the need to speak for me, but seriously, quit doing it. You really, really suck at it.

Edited November 23, 2012 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

Maybe if you would make your arguments explicit, instead of posting snide arrogant remarks like "I'm betting that you think you're the enlightened one," then people wouldn't have to make inferences about what it is you mean.

Also, isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to try and chastize me for what you call "speaking for you," when that's exactly what you did the exact same thing for The Squid?

[Guest American Woman]

Maybe if you would make your arguments explicit, instead of posting snide arrogant remarks like "I'm betting that you think you're the enlightened one," then people wouldn't have to make inferences about what it is you mean.

First of all, I wasn't even talking to you. Secondly, my remark was no more "arrogant or snide" than the remark I was responding to. Which again, has nothing to do with you. Third, if what I said wasn't clear to you, ask for clarification instead of stating how I feel about Christianity and other religions - especially in light of the fact that I've never said anything to so much as insinuate anything that would lead to your ignorant claim. Last but not least, anyone who claims to "know" if prayer does or doesn't work, while belittling others' beliefs, does come across to me as thinking they are enlightened. But notice that I didn't claim he DID think he was the enlightened one; I said I bet he thinks he is. And I do bet that. Now for my final point. None of this has anything at all to do with you. Are you getting that yet?

So again. Do not speak for me. You really, really suck at it.

Also, isn't it a bit hypocritical for you to try and chastize me for what you call "speaking for you," when that's exactly what you did the exact same thing for The Squid?

I did not speak for him. Read, comprehend, and perhaps you won't make such erroneous claims.

If you want to respond to what the Squid says, fine. If you want to respond to what I say, fine. But I repeat. Do you speak for me; do not state what I think. I can, and will, do that myself.

[cybercoma]

Nice meltdown. Have another beer.

[Guest American Woman]

Nice meltdown. Have another beer.

Just get over your obsession with speaking for me, capice??

[cybercoma]

Grow up. I'm not speaking for you. I will continue to summarize your arguments and infer from your ridiculous sideswipes as long as you continue to post them publicly. Don't want me to talk about what you post, then don't post it publicly.

[Guest American Woman]

Grow up. I'm not speaking for you. I will continue to summarize your arguments and infer from your ridiculous sideswipes as long as you continue to post them publicly. Don't want me to talk about what you post, then don't post it publicly.

You'll either support your false, ignorant claims about what I believe (which is speaking for me) with what I have actually said - or I will report you. EOS.

[cybercoma]

What are you threatening me? Go ahead and report me already.

[The_Squid]

you think you're the enlightened one

I don't think I'm the enlightened one.

not to mention your belief that you have the answer as to whether or not prayer works.

Did I say it didn't work? I said that voodoo spells work just as well.

Why would you think prayer works better than voodoo or native dances?

Edited November 23, 2012 by The_Squid

[BubberMiley]

Now for my final point. None of this has anything at all to do with you.

You should use the PM function when you want to have private, individual conversations.

[GostHacked]

I didn't say that you did claim to be - and my issue with your post is how badly you are misrepresenting what the chief said, not to mention your belief that you have the answer as to whether or not prayer works.

I pray you wont post anymore.

[The_Squid]

I pray you wont post anymore.

LOL

[betsy]

He can express his belief out of his uniform, not while he's wearing it.

Sez who?

Presidents and Prime Ministers publicly express their beliefs in God. Even while campaigning.

Edited November 24, 2012 by betsy

[betsy]

I wonder if the Chief believes that in addition to prayer, maybe a voodoo spell might help the crime rate too... what about a native dance ceremony? Perhaps rubbing the tummy of Buddha might help! All these things have proven to be equally as effective as prayer. Why doesn't the Chief promote those too?

Maybe you should ask a voodoo priest or a Buddhist monk. Duh.

And while you're at it, you can even protest the Christian magazine and tell them they should publish those alternatives in their papers. Double Duh.

Edited November 24, 2012 by betsy

[betsy]

First, I never claimed to be enlightened.

You don't think voodoo spells work as well as prayers? What's your issue with my post? Be specific.

It's not about whether voodoo works or not. It's about the big question whether you are reading the posts/arguments.....and most importantly, whether you understand what you read at all.

Edited November 24, 2012 by betsy

[Guest American Woman]

LOL

I was under the impression that we were actually engaged in discussion, so I'm glad that I saw this before wasting my time responding to your latest post.