Obama admit to growing up in Kenya......with Donald Trump

[Sleipnir]

On the same day Trump took to YouTube in an attempt to blackmail the president via charity, Obama appeared on “The Tonight Show” to explain the source of Trump’s resentment of him.

“This all dates back to when we were growing up together in Kenya,” the Hawaii-born Obama dryly told Jay Leno. “We had constant run-ins on the soccer fields. He wasn’t very good and resented it. When we finally moved to America, I thought it would be over.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/25/barack-obama-explains-source-of-donald-trump-grudge-match-this-all-dates-back-to-when-we-were-growing-up-together-in-kenya/

lol that was hilarious, you gotta admit that.

[Mr.Canada]

it seems like every so often MLW turns into crazyland.

[Shady]

I'm glad he finally admits to being from Kenya. It's not like he was fooling anybody with his Hawaii story.

[jacee]

I'm glad he finally admits to being from Kenya. It's not like he was fooling anybody with his Hawaii story.

[BC_chick]

I'm glad he finally admits to being from Kenya. It's not like he was fooling anybody with his Hawaii story.

I thought you said you're not a birther.

[WIP]

On the same day Trump took to YouTube in an attempt to blackmail the president via charity, Obama appeared on “The Tonight Show” to explain the source of Trump’s resentment of him.

“This all dates back to when we were growing up together in Kenya,” the Hawaii-born Obama dryly told Jay Leno. “We had constant run-ins on the soccer fields. He wasn’t very good and resented it. When we finally moved to America, I thought it would be over.”

http://news.national...ether-in-kenya/

lol that was hilarious, you gotta admit that.

It was a good comeback, but you realize this is coming from someone with no sense of humor; so it had to be written for him by a joke-writer. At least Obama can deliver the joke better than Dubya.

[Shady]

I thought you said you're not a birther.

I was just trying to be as funny as Obama.

[Sleipnir]

I was just trying to be as funny as Obama.

Hard to tell someone is being (or trying to be) funny without emoticons.

[-TSS-]

He's a muslim as he was born as a muslim. No matter what you say later in life. If you are born a muslim then you are a muslim. Of course you can become an apostate but that is a bit more serious issue.

Edited October 26, 2012 by -TSS-

[msj]

He's a muslim as he was born as a muslim. No matter what you say later in life. If you are born a muslim then you are a muslim. Of course you can become an apostate but that is a bit more serious issue.

To be a Muslim one must be an adherent of Islam.

Given that no baby/child is capable of making such a genuine consensual choice as this it is impossible to say he was born a Muslim.

Just like it is impossible to say that someone born of Catholic parents is a Catholic.

I would think that most people are born as agnostics or atheists until they have been suitably indoctrinated inculturated.

Edited October 26, 2012 by msj

[-TSS-]

To be a Muslim one must be an adherent of Islam.

Given that no baby/child is capable of making such a genuine consensual choice as this it is impossible to say he was born a Muslim.

Just like it is impossible to say that someone born of Catholic parents is a Catholic.

I would think that most people are born as agnostics or atheists until they have been suitably indoctrinated inculturated.

You completely miss the point. In religions even babies are members and they are not asked if they want to be members or not. It wasn't that long ago, only 100 years or so, that in Christianity if you were baptized into one religion that was your stigma for life, no matter what you thought about religion when you were grown up.

Fortunately we are past that phase in the countries where the Christian faith is still the largest one. The same development will happen in the Muslim-countries as well. Whether it takes 10,20,50 or 100 years is anyone's guess.

[msj]

You completely miss the point. In religions even babies are members and they are not asked if they want to be members or not. It wasn't that long ago, only 100 years or so, that in Christianity if you were baptized into one religion that was your stigma for life, no matter what you thought about religion when you were grown up.

Sure, whatever.

How a baby could be considered anything except a baby is beyond me.

Sure, if you are born in Canada then it's fair to say you're a Canadian. That's just the legality of the situation.

But to claim that a baby is this religion or that religion is absurd.

To claim that Obama is a muslim by virtue of him coming from his father's sperm is really twisted.

When I look up his father it tells me his father was an atheist so who knows?

So, I suppose according to your logic, since Obama's father was born into a Muslim family that he is a Muslim no matter that he appeared to have become non-theistic over this lifetime.

The same development will happen in the Muslim-countries as well. Whether it takes 10,20,50 or 100 years is anyone's guess.

Yes, we all await the maturity of the religious - going from many gods to one god to no god.

Edited October 26, 2012 by msj

[Sleipnir]

He's a muslim as he was born as a muslim. No matter what you say later in life. If you are born a muslim then you are a muslim. Of course you can become an apostate but that is a bit more serious issue.

Are you trying to be funny like Shady?

[guyser]

I think you are both right.

Any parent will say that 'my baby was born a <insert religion here>'

Of course no consent can be given by a baby. It'd be all "give me the nipple and get on with it"

[-TSS-]

Sure, whatever.

How a baby could be considered anything except a baby is beyond me.

Sure, if you are born in Canada then it's fair to say you're a Canadian. That's just the legality of the situation.

But to claim that a baby is this religion or that religion is absurd.

To claim that Obama is a muslim by virtue of him coming from his father's sperm is really twisted.

When I look up his father it tells me his father was an atheist so who knows?

So, I suppose according to your logic, since Obama's father was born into a Muslim family that he is a Muslim no matter that he appeared to have become non-theistic over this lifetime.

Yes, we all await the maturity of the religious - going from many gods to one god to no god.

You are a westerner and therefore your mindset is like that of a westerner. However, vast chunks of this planets are not what we would call west and the attitudes to everything in life differ very much. We in the west (yes, I do consider Finland to belong to the west) take it for granted that adults can make up their mind about their religious adherence no matter which religion they were introduced into as children.

That's how it should be all over the world. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work like that. You can be the President of the United States, the most powerful country on Earth, but if you are born a muslim then you are a muslim, or an apostate.

[msj]

You are a westerner and therefore your mindset is like that of a westerner. However, vast chunks of this planets are not what we would call west and the attitudes to everything in life differ very much.

On what basis do you presume to make such assumptions?

Are you not of the "mindset" of a westerner?

Have you talked to people around the world about such matters?

We in the west (yes, I do consider Finland to belong to the west) take it for granted that adults can make up their mind about their religious adherence no matter which religion they were introduced into as children.

That's how it should be all over the world. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work like that. You can be the President of the United States, the most powerful country on Earth, but if you are born a muslim then you are a muslim, or an apostate.

Well, good thing that only US citizens can vote for him so I can be like Bush_cheney2004 and American Woman when I write: the rest of the world wishes they could vote for the POTUS as they sure spend a lot of time arguing over it.

[Sleipnir]

You are a westerner and therefore your mindset is like that of a westerner.

Just because he's right doesn't automatically makes him a westerner.

[bleeding heart]

That's how it should be all over the world. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work like that. You can be the President of the United States, the most powerful country on Earth, but if you are born a muslim then you are a muslim, or an apostate.

Then he is an apostate, because he claims Christianity as his religion.

[Guest American Woman]

Well, good thing that only US citizens can vote for him so I can be like Bush_cheney2004 and American Woman when I write: the rest of the world wishes they could vote for the POTUS as they sure spend a lot of time arguing over it.

Interesting comment in light of the fact that I've never said the rest of the world wishes they could vote for the POTUS.

Edited October 28, 2012 by American Woman