Another murder over cultural issue.

[eyeball]

Since the title of the thread refers to "culture," are you saying you don't think culture has anything to do with it? It's no different from domestic abuse/murders in the U.S.. - and the KKK hangings were just another murder?

Given that more females are murder victims of males in all cultures across the board suggests culture is less important, maybe a lot less, than is being argued here.

[Guest Peeves]

Given that more females are murder victims of males in all cultures across the board suggests culture is less important, maybe a lot less, than is being argued here.

Good point, females are indeed more likely to be the victim in most cultures,religions,in countries, cities,and homes.

Now the 'cultures' that choose them as victims in Western democracies.are uh........ .well actually in Western democracies it it still predominately - mainly those same imported cultures that victimize women over cultural traditions.

I don't see anywhere near the same degree of A WESTERN culture influencing the victimizing of Western women. Abuse of women in Western countries certainly exists, certainly is abhorrent regardless the reason, it's just not over cultural traditions.

Edited October 17, 2012 by Peeves

[Guest Peeves]

Funkmaster Flex used as a legit source = another great milestone here at MLW! lol just yankin' yer chain Peeves.

These facts are gross, people are mind-boggling sometimes. More evidence that humans evolved from savage primates.

I consider my chain yanked, but you stopped too soon.

Actually I doubt savage primates would murder over tradition and cultural or religion. Although, as savage animals, they might be more inclined to follow a 1400 year old draconian anachronistic way of life than a civilized human.

[Guest Peeves]

Unless of course, the idea is just to keep the cultural practices out of Canada and no-one gives a toss who gets in from where, just so long as those cultural practices don't come with them.

Which is pretty much how I feel.

That's so simply put that its elegant.

Keep cultural-traditions that are contrary to common decency or irrational out of our country. Non violent celebrations of culture and tradition are fine if within the law and not imposing overly much on others.

Edited October 17, 2012 by Peeves

[eyeball]

Good point, females are indeed more likely to be the victim in most cultures,religions,in countries, cities,and homes.

Right.

Now the 'cultures' that choose them as victims in Western democracies.are uh........ .well actually in Western democracies it it still predominately - mainly those same imported cultures that victimize women over cultural traditions.

I don't see anywhere near the same degree of A WESTERN culture influencing the victimizing of Western women. Abuse of women in Western countries certainly exists, certainly is abhorrent regardless the reason, it's just not over cultural traditions.

I don't have a clue what any of this means.

[Black Dog]

I think you're onto something here. The strange thing is that those that don't want anyone of the culture with these abhorent practices would not let those most subject to these abhorent practices immigrate here because they come from a culture that has these abhorent practices.

We're letting them get set on fire there so they don't get set on fire here.

[jacee]

Good point, females are indeed more likely to be the victim in most cultures,religions,in countries, cities,and homes.

Now the 'cultures' that choose them as victims in Western democracies.are uh........ .well actually in Western democracies it it still predominately - mainly those same imported cultures that victimize women over cultural traditions.

I don't see anywhere near the same degree of A WESTERN culture influencing the victimizing of Western women. Abuse of women in Western countries certainly exists, certainly is abhorrent regardless the reason, it's just not over cultural traditions.

Horsesh!t !

Spousal violence against women is ALWAYS ABOUT CONTROL by the man, regardless of 'culture'.

Women weren't even 'persons' in Canada until 1929, and weren't able to control their own lives until the 1960s when they got the 'pill'.

If violence against women is about 'culture', it's about our culture too.

Edited October 17, 2012 by jacee

[Mr.Canada]

Horsesh!t !

Spousal violence against women is ALWAYS ABOUT CONTROL by the man, regardless of 'culture'.

Women weren't even 'persons' in Canada until 1929, and weren't able to control their own lives until the 1960s when they got the 'pill'.

If violence against women is about 'culture', it's about our culture too.

And Islamic Sharia Law, which the left seemingly supports, is trying to drag us back into those times.

[guyser]

And Islamic Sharia Law, which the left seemingly supports, is trying to drag us back into those times.

Considering that Sharia would not be allowed for criminal proceedings your point is neither on target nor does it have a shred of validity.

[Black Dog]

Considering that Sharia would not be allowed for criminal proceedings your point is neither on target nor does it have a shred of validity.

He's nothing if not consistent.

Edited October 17, 2012 by Black Dog

[jacee]

And Islamic Sharia Law, which the left seemingly supports, is trying to drag us back into those times.

Denial much?

Male violence against women is the same everywhere: Some jerk(s) think they have a right to control 'their' women.

And other men, and the 'justice' system protect the perps.

In Canada now, often as not the cops throw BOTH partners in jail and 'let the court figure it out'.

So we're back to the days when abused women can't call the cops for help - now because they'll go to jail.

Edited October 17, 2012 by jacee

[Mr.Canada]

Denial much?

Male violence against women is the same everywhere: Some jerk(s) think they have a right to control 'their' women.

And other men, and the 'justice' system protect the perps.

In Canada now, often as not the cops throw BOTH partners in jail and 'let the court figure it out'.

So we're back to the days when abused women can't call the cops for help - now because they'll go to jail.

Canada is importing people with backward ideals about women's rights in Canada.

Some cultures find it acceptable to kill their daughters and wives for daring to be themselves. Surely the left wing cannot support his culture.

Violence against women is almost never acceptable and it certainly isn't acceptable for people who come to Canada for a better life to abuse their wives and daughters.

Harsh punishment and swift justice is needed to thwart these backward cultural practices.

[Black Dog]

Canada is importing people with backward ideals about women's rights in Canada.

Some cultures find it acceptable to kill their daughters and wives for daring to be themselves. Surely the left wing cannot support his culture.

I don't know any self-described lefty who does. But you seem to, seeing as how you'd like to ensure people from these cultures aren't exposed to other ways of doing things.

Violence against women is almost never acceptable and it certainly isn't acceptable for people who come to Canada for a better life to abuse their wives and daughters.

Harsh punishment and swift justice is needed to thwart these backward cultural practices.

Is anyone who commits these types of crimes not being punished here?

[Mr.Canada]

I don't know any self-described lefty who does. But you seem to, seeing as how you'd like to ensure people from these cultures aren't exposed to other ways of doing things.

Is anyone who commits these types of crimes not being punished here?

Point is they shouldn't be allowed in Canada to begin with. If a culture is counter to our own they should automatically be dq'd. Not welcome.

[Guest American Woman]

Given that more females are murder victims of males in all cultures across the board suggests culture is less important, maybe a lot less, than is being argued here.

Sure. Let's dismiss it that way, if it makes you feel "PC" good. I'm sure the women who are victims of such abuse would feel real good knowing that Westerners are viewing it that way, nothing more.

And of course women in India aren't abused for any other reason that dowry deaths, so it's all equal to what happens here. Violence against women in the west - dowry deaths/violence/abuse for not bringing enough money into the marriage - all the same.

There are no hate crimes in Canada, either, since murder/violence does exist across the board.

...if a bride refused to satisfy incessant demands by her husband and in-laws for money and goods, despite having brought with her the mandatory dowry at the time of marriage, she was subjected to inhuman treatment.

Thereafter, the luckless girl was either starved, administered frequent beatings or simply "jailed" inside her bridal home and denied all contact with her family.

If her family either declined to pay or were simply unable to do so, many in-laws in connivance with their sons forced the bride into an flammable nylon sari, doused her with paraffin and set her alight, claiming she had caught fire whilst cooking.

In the early 1980s such dowry deaths became so commonplace – climbing up to even five a day in the federal capital New Delhi-that anti-dowry activists forced the government in 1986 to change prevailing laws stacked against the bride.

http://www.telegraph...n-the-rise.html

If her family either declined to pay or were simply unable to do so, many in-laws in connivance with their sons forced the bride into an flammable nylon sari, doused her with paraffin and set her alight, claiming she had caught fire whilst cooking.

I have to wonder how much of the violence against women in the West is planned and carried out with the help, cooperation, and encouragement of the in-laws/family.

I also have to wonder what the women who live with fear such deaths would have to say about the comments made here on the board......

Edited October 17, 2012 by American Woman

[Black Dog]

Point is they shouldn't be allowed in Canada to begin with. If a culture is counter to our own they should automatically be dq'd. Not welcome.

And what about the wives and daughters? You're seemingly happy keeping them entrenched in a culture that devalues them.

[DogOnPorch]

And what about the wives and daughters? You're seemingly happy keeping them entrenched in a culture that devalues them.

The mothers/aunts can be just as Killy-McGee re: Honour Killing as the oppressive fathers, brothers, uncles, etc.

[Black Dog]

The mothers/aunts can be just as Killy-McGee re: Honour Killing as the oppressive fathers, brothers, uncles, etc.

And?

[Mr.Canada]

And what about the wives and daughters? You're seemingly happy keeping them entrenched in a culture that devalues them.

The situation would have to be looked at closely and reviewed. They would need to apply like everyone else does and not just show up at our doorstep begging for handouts.

They need to go through the proper channels, apply and if they are deemed to be of use to us they can come here but only if they are of some use to us. We cannot take in everyone just to make the bleeding hearts happy. We have real Canadians who are in need and we need to look after that first.

[Guest American Woman]

And what about the wives and daughters? You're seemingly happy keeping them entrenched in a culture that devalues them.

Jul 27, 2012

The Shreenagar police on Thursday arrested the

mother-in-law

,

sister-in-law

and two other relatives of a 20-year-old woman who died after being allegedly set ablaze by them and her husband at their Wagle Estate home last week. The husband, Bhausaheb Gulab Bhalerao, is undergoing treatment for his burns, which he says he suffered while trying to save his wife.

http://articles.time...akh-dowry-meera

It's not the 'typical western' male violence against women that some people here are trying to make it out to be.

Edited October 17, 2012 by American Woman

[Black Dog]

Jul 27, 2012

The Shreenagar police on Thursday arrested the

mother-in-law

,

sister-in-law

and two other relatives of a 20-year-old woman who died after being allegedly set ablaze by them and her husband at their Wagle Estate home last week. The husband, Bhausaheb Gulab Bhalerao, is undergoing treatment for his burns, which he says he suffered while trying to save his wife.

http://articles.time...akh-dowry-meera

It's not the 'typical western' male violence against women that some people here are trying to make it out to be.

I'm aware. The point, however, stands.

[DogOnPorch]

And?

Your previous statement was a logical fallacy. Women in Islamic societies don't all feel that they are entrenched in a culture that devalues them.

[Black Dog]

Your previous statement was a logical fallacy. Women in Islamic societies don't all feel that they are entrenched in a culture that devalues them.

So?

[DogOnPorch]

So?

Buttons?

[jacee]

Point is they shouldn't be allowed in Canada to begin with. If a culture is counter to our own they should automatically be dq'd. Not welcome.

Because we don't perpetuate violence against women?

Domestic violence is the single greatest cause of injury to women in America - more than muggings,rapes,and car accidents combined. A woman in the United States is more likely to be killed by her partner than by any other assailant.

http://www.cambridgedocumentaryfilms.org/defending.html