Terry Jones not allowed in Canada

[Fletch 27]

We allowed Khadr bak into Canada and not this guy? Yup, Only in Canad.. Protect the terrorist and block free speach.. This guy should have been allowed in if simply not only to educate the Left...

[Boges]

We allowed Khadr bak into Canada and not this guy? Yup, Only in Canad.. Protect the terrorist and block free speach.. This guy should have been allowed in if simply not only to educate the Left...

Khadr was born in Canada. We sort of have to let him in.

[Boges]

People in this thread keep saying that entry to Canada isn't a right. No one is saying it is.

But you should have a good reason to deny someone entry into a free country. In this case, there really isn't a good reason.

[GostHacked]

People in this thread keep saying that entry to Canada isn't a right. No one is saying it is.

But you should have a good reason to deny someone entry into a free country. In this case, there really isn't a good reason.

That's just the thing, there does not need to be a reason. Just as Canadians can be denied entry to the US without any reason.

[Black Dog]

People in this thread keep saying that entry to Canada isn't a right. No one is saying it is.

But you should have a good reason to deny someone entry into a free country. In this case, there really isn't a good reason.

Yeah I don't know if that's true in practice.

[Black Dog]

We allowed Khadr bak into Canada and not this guy? Yup, Only in Canad.. Protect the terrorist and block free speach.. This guy should have been allowed in if simply not only to educate the Left...

You mean the few dozen fellow wingnuts to whom he was scheduled to speak (like convicted felon Eric Brazau of "Canadians United Against Terror")?

[WWWTT]

That is an incorrect assessment. If he banned others from having access to a Koran, he would be against freedom of speech. Simply burning a book he possesses is not anti-speech.

Perhaps you are right.

However,the freedom to practice your own religion would probably go together with the freedom to express.

As well this individual (or any other) can not ban others from the freedom of their own expressions.

He could only dramatically express his opinion through a high media focus event (the burning of the Koran)

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[WWWTT]

Ummm. No. It doesn't prove that at all.

I'm sorry but it does.

In a hateful way to!

If not then why destroy a copy of someones beliefs?

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[WWWTT]

Of course he is. He's not being allowed into Canada to have his say.

The government of Canada can not prevent anyone outside our country from their rights.

However since Jones is not a Canadian citizen or per. res.He does not have the right to enter Canada.

We went through this before when Dick Cheney cancelled a trip to Canada 6 months ago.

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[cybercoma]

Of course he's not guaranteed entry into Canada, which doesn't address why he wasn't allowed - which is actually the issue. So no, case not closed.

Because he was denied entry into another country before, there are legal issues he has had in the past, and there were questions about his identity.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm sorry but it does.

In a hateful way to!

If not then why destroy a copy of someones beliefs?

WWWTT

So you against people being let into Canada for burning a Bible as well then right?

Or should the Muslims be treated specially and different then other people?

[WWWTT]

I dunno. Book burnings signify not agreeing with what's said in the book. It's another form of expression, whether you agree with it or not.

Yes you could be right.

I did not see it this way,thank you.

However if this is the case,then Canada acted properly to not let someone who uses a violent act to express their opinion!

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[Guest American Woman]

Yes you could be right.

I did not see it this way,thank you.

However if this is the case,then Canada acted properly to not let someone who uses a violent act to express their opinion!

Burning a book is violent? So is burning the American flag a violent act, too?

[dre]

No... I don't really agree with the idea of countries in general. They're kind of outdated vehicles for mob control IMO.

But if we're going to have them, I can at least express my desire to use them to filter out noise from people who come here from other countries (wherever they may be). I have to put up with enough noise from my countrymen ... I just would like lower volume.

I don't mean to sound exclusionary. I certainly don't want to pick and choose who we let in by nationality, just by loud-mouthiness.

For the record, I'm always polite and grateful when I travel to the US.

No... I don't really agree with the idea of countries in general.

What do you propose instead?

[WWWTT]

So you against people being let into Canada for burning a Bible as well then right?

Or should the Muslims be treated specially and different then other people?

If it was a similar case,but reversed against Christianity,yes of course!

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[WWWTT]

Burning a book is violent? So is burning the American flag a violent act, too?

Yes of course!

What makes you think I would be OK with destroying something that represents someone else?Or any thing destructive for that matter?

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[guyser]

Of course he is. He's not being allowed into Canada to have his say.

Those two sentences have no connection.

He is not being denied freedom of speech. Not one person is stopping him from talking .He is free to talk wherever he wants to.

If one beloieves so, please indicate when he was stopped from speaking?

He was denied access because he has a record from a court in Michigan. Beyond that, CBSA can deny for any reason they want. Much like the US can deny access for a 30yr old DUI charge or any other spurious reason that border security can come up with.( on both sides)

Hell, they dont like the colour of the car they can deny access.

[Boges]

But that would never happen because there is no recent record of Christians reacting violently to slights against their religion.

[Mr.Canada]

Is burning a Koran hate speech? I want to see what will happen if I do it and put it on you tube. If I will be arrested or not.

[Guest American Woman]

Because he was denied entry into another country before, there are legal issues he has had in the past, and there were questions about his identity.

Questions about his identity? You've got to be kidding. As for having been denied entry into another country before, what does that have to do with Canada? As for his "legal issues," I'm guessing applying the same standards to everyone trying to enter Canada would significantly reduce the number who are granted entry.

Al very convenient excuses, at best.

[Smallc]

Oh please let it be hate speech....please....

[Guest American Woman]

Hell, they dont like the colour of the car they can deny access.

Which wouldn't speak well for them, would it?

Sorry, but from this side of the border, hearing all of the talk about multi-cultural Canada and how tolerant Canada is, Jones being denied entry to have his say - and the defense that the decision is getting from so many Canadians - speaks volumes.

[Guest American Woman]

Yes of course!

What makes you think I would be OK with destroying something that represents someone else?Or any thing destructive for that matter?

I would wager that many a foreigner who has burned the American flag has been granted entry into Canada - and I would wager that no Canadians have ever been reprimanded for it. Which was my point.

[guyser]

Which wouldn't speak well for them, would it?

Border guards on both sides do silly things all the time

Sorry, but from this side of the border, hearing all of the talk about multi-cultural Canada and how tolerant Canada is, Jones being denied entry

Thats all that need be said.

He was not denied entry to 'have his say', he was denied entry.

[Guest American Woman]

Border guards on both sides do silly things all the time

Thats all that need be said.

He was not denied entry to 'have his say', he was denied entry.

And why do you think he was denied entry? Because the border guards didn't like the color of his car? Because they were silly?

Say it's true that border guards "do silly things all the time" - I sincerely doubt this was just a case of "silliness" on their part. If that's what you believe, if you think preventing him from having his say had nothing to do with it, so be it. But it doesn't look that way from here, and your defense of their actions, your simplistic dsimissal, doesn't do anything to change that - quite the opposite, actually.