Motion 312 vote coming soon!

[PIK]

Tell you what!

When you grow a uterus, I'll care about your opinion.

But one's opinion on this issue only matters to oneself.

Don't believe in abortion?

Don't have one.

My god I agree with you, somebody shoot me now.

[Black Dog]

I never understood the conversation around gender and abortion decisions.

It's absolutely ridiculous that men decided this in the past, however I feel it to be equally ridiculous that men should have no say whatsoever. We don't advocate keeping gender out of any other political decisions as far as I know, so why this one ?

I'm certainly not advocating anything. I'm simply stating that the history needs to be kept in mind.

[Mr.Canada]

This isn't about abortion so lets keep on topic here guys. Motion 312 is simply a motion to decide when human life begins. I don't see how that is a bad thing to find out once and for all at what stage of pregnancy does human life begin. Wouldn't it be better to have all the answers instead of believing that ignorance is bliss? The left is all about science yet they are against science in this instance, hypocritical.

[Smallc]

This isn't about abortion so lets keep on topic here guys.

Quit trolling.

[guyser]

This isn't about abortion so lets keep on topic here guys. Motion 312 is simply a motion to decide when human life begins.

You forget we arent stupid.

You are as subtle as a brick to the head.

And yes, quit trolling

[jacee]

Oh Ho!

So you believe everyone is a total idiot, and can't see what you're driving at.

What an unbelievably dishonest remark. Of course it's about abortion...that is precisely your interest in it, and why you started the thread.

[Peter F]

This isn't about abortion so lets keep on topic here guys. Motion 312 is simply a motion to decide when human life begins. I don't see how that is a bad thing to find out once and for all at what stage of pregnancy does human life begin. Wouldn't it be better to have all the answers instead of believing that ignorance is bliss? The left is all about science yet they are against science in this instance, hypocritical.

I look forward to Motion 5800 where a parliamentary committee is struck to determine why socks are missing from the dryer

[Mr.Canada]

Quit trolling.

You forget we arent stupid.

You are as subtle as a brick to the head.

And yes, quit trolling

I am stating the facts. Motion 312 is a motion to find out when human life begins.

Click below for the proof.

(i) what medical evidence exists to demonstrate that a child is or is not a human being before the moment of complete birth?,

[g_bambino]

I look forward to Motion 5800 where a parliamentary committee is struck to determine why socks are missing from the dryer

Stop trying to take away a dryer's right to choose!!!

[cybercoma]

A fetus is a human being. It's not some other species. What scientific evidence is necessary?

It's completely irrelevant that a fetus is a human.

I would also go so far as to argue that it's irrelevant if a fetus is a legal person from conception too.

Edited September 26, 2012 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

Briefly, the right to life means you have the right not to be put to death. It does not mean you have a right (forcing an obligation on others) to be kept alive. When your right to life competes with another person's right to security of their body, the latter person is not obligated to give up their body to keep you alive. Otherwise, we would be able to harvest organs from people against their will because another person's right to life would prevail. Hence, it doesn't matter when legal personhood begins for abortion. The fetus has no right to occupy another person's body against that person's will.

[Mr.Canada]

Briefly, the right to life means you have the right not to be put to death. It does not mean you have a right (forcing an obligation on others) to be kept alive. When your right to life competes with another person's right to security of their body, the latter person is not obligated to give up their body to keep you alive. Otherwise, we would be able to harvest organs from people against their will because another person's right to life would prevail. Hence, it doesn't matter when legal personhood begins for abortion. The fetus has no right to occupy another person's body against that person's will.

Abortion is legal in this country. You can have an abortion when you're 9 months pregnant. I don't see why people are freaking out. What I don't get is that if people don't want babies why aren't they taking better precautions to ensure it doesn't happen in the first place. You think it's wonderful for women to abort babies at 9 months pregnant?

Motion 312 isn't about abortion so I don't know why the anti abortion people have taken over this thread. It's worthwhile to know when human life begins. To answer the question of when a human being becomes a human being. Ignorance isn't bliss.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[cybercoma]

Abortion is legal in this country. You can have an abortion when you're 9 months pregnant. I don't see why people are freaking out. What I don't get is that if people don't want babies why aren't they taking better precautions to ensure it doesn't happen in the first place. You think it's wonderful for women to abort babies at 9 months pregnant?

Why do you think people don't take precautions? When they don't, why do you assume that it's due to irresponsibility?

[Mr.Canada]

Why do you think people don't take precautions? When they don't, why do you assume that it's due to irresponsibility?

Maybe people use abortion as birth control. Whatever, they're the ones who have to live with themselves. They can have an abortion at 9 months and it's all perfectly legal. I hope they can live with themselves. It's not my life it's theirs.

At the end of the day Steven Woodworth is doing the bidding of the people who live in his riding. If he isn't then he shouldn't be re elected.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[cybercoma]

Yeas 91 / Nays 203

[Mr.Canada]

Yeas 91 / Nays 203

Everyone already knew it was going to get defeated. It's fun to talk about inflammatory subjects though. I enjoy watching people get crazy. These topics are very polarizing but in the end of the day it's just a game.

[cybercoma]

Sorry, but I don't think women's health and bodies are a game. You'll have to play with someone else.

[Mr.Canada]

Sorry, but I don't think women's health and bodies are a game. You'll have to play with someone else.

Lol, wow. You really need to relax. You're going to have a heart attack being so wound up like this.

[Topaz]

This isn't about abortion so lets keep on topic here guys. Motion 312 is simply a motion to decide when human life begins. I don't see how that is a bad thing to find out once and for all at what stage of pregnancy does human life begin. Wouldn't it be better to have all the answers instead of believing that ignorance is bliss? The left is all about science yet they are against science in this instance, hypocritical.

Well Mr Canada or Mr Village, the Tories start saying this ONLY a open minded debate when human life begins and when the answer is realized, and IF if goes against what the Supreme Court has stated, then the Tories bring that findings under the Criminal Code and there abortion becomes illegal.

[scribblet]

203 - 91 wonder who abstained or maybe they where sick.

That's it until the next one pops up

[Shakeyhands]

203 - 91 wonder who abstained or maybe they where sick.

That's it until the next one pops up

I see Harper didn't have to cojones to make his vote heard. What a coward.

[Mr.Canada]

Sorry, but I don't think women's health and bodies are a game. You'll have to play with someone else.

Shakey. PM's rarely vote on every motion in the house. Chretien, martin and virtually all PM's do the same thing. This isn't new.

It's a divide and conquer game to control people. It works great as you can see from this site alone. That's what I meant.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[Bonam]

The real debate about abortion has nothing to do with "when life begins". That part of the debate is a shell game for nincompoops to bicker over.

The real debate is whether the state should have the power to dictate to an individual that they must provide the physical use of their body to support another's life. The state subjugating the physical freedom of one individual to the needs of another is what the "pro-life" side argues for.

[jacee]

I see Harper didn't have to cojones to make his vote heard. What a coward.

He voted against, as he said he would.

Eight ministers and two ministers of state voted in favour of Woodworth's motion. They included: Immigration Minister Jason Kenney; House leader Peter Van Loan; Status of Women Minister Rona Ambrose; Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz; International Trade Minister Ed Fast; Revenue Minister Gail Shea; Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Peter Penashue; and International Co-operation Minister Julian Fantino.

Harper was in the Commons on Wednesday evening and voted against the contentious motion.

http://www.timescolonist.com/touch/news/story.html?id=7306916

Dare I say ... I think Rona Ambrose is misplaced in her ministry ... unless Harper put her there to gut women's rights.

What a joke!

Edited September 27, 2012 by jacee

[cybercoma]

203 - 91 wonder who abstained or maybe they where sick.

That's it until the next one pops up

I watched the vote. As far as I can tell, nobody present abstained.

I see Harper didn't have to cojones to make his vote heard. What a coward.

Harper voted against the motion as he said he would.

What's even more interesting is that the Minister on the Status of Women, Rona Ambrose, voted in support of the motion. She needs to be removed from that position immediately.