Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Oh...so Churchill was wrong? What part? Generalizing on races, religions or what have you from that perspective. Factually incorrect. I won't use the term 'disgusting' as it's been overused. We understand a lot more about social causes than we did back then. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Black Dog Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Over the line, BD - if you can't score points without insulting, then take a breather please. It's not an insult, it's an adjective. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 This is a controversial and touchy subject but PLEASE do your best to keep the conversation moving. Stop insulting, and provide a basis for your argument and link when asked. This isn't new - see the Rules and Guidelines if you're unsure whether you want to be here. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Well, it's a discussion board and as much as I like a good one-liner, it's not a substitute for actual discussion. Nothing says you have to respond to me. But, we'll both be richer for it if we try to respond to each other. Ultimately, I'm a Canadian like yourself (I assume) with a wife...an ex-wife...and way too many cats in relationship to available flat surfaces. Bring on the beer and BBQ and you know you'd be invited, too. No need to call for your arrest/deportation/excommunication/burning at stake. No true Scotsman...errrr....Canadian would do that. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
madmax Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Says the fat guy who got banned from a video game discussion board. How does an ADULT get banned from a Video game discussion board ? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Generalizing on races, religions or what have you from that perspective. Factually incorrect. I won't use the term 'disgusting' as it's been overused. We understand a lot more about social causes than we did back then. But, nothing you care to cut and paste and go "there...here's what I'm talking about" ?? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 Generalizing on races, religions or what have you from that perspective. Factually incorrect. I won't use the term 'disgusting' as it's been overused. We understand a lot more about social causes than we did back then. It's revealing that you put religion and race in the same category. As far as "understanding a lot more", it reminds me of another Reagan phrase about leftists, "they know so much that isn't so". Quote
dre Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 I suppose you think Statistics Canada is actually maintaining such data? If they arent, then they should be so that immigration decisions can be informed by empyrical evidence. Iv looked around a fair bit and I cant find any real evidence of a significant problem. As a matter of fact crime rates are down both for violent and non-violent crimes over the last 30 years which has seen the rise of immigration from non-european countries. But we should study this more, and make sure our immigration policy is sustainable both in terms of this particular group and immigration as a whole. Cherry picking quotes out of the Koran does nothing to that end though. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 It's not an insult, it's an adjective. Your juvenile behaviour says everything about you and nothing about me. Quote
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) If they arent, then they should be so that immigration decisions can be informed by empyrical evidence. So you don't realise why they don't collect such information, right? That's unsurprising. Iv looked around a fair bit and I cant find any real evidence of a significant problem. As a matter of fact crime rates are down both for violent and non-violent crimes over the last 30 years which has seen the rise of immigration from non-european countries. Really? Mass murderers around the world committed by people shouting "Allahu Akbhar!" don't provide you with "any real evidence of a significant problem"? Perhaps you live on the same island of delusion with Black Dog and Michael Hardner. But we should study this more, and make sure our immigration policy is sustainable both in terms of this particular group and immigration as a whole. Cherry picking quotes out of the Koran does nothing to that end though. Yeah. That's exactly what we need. More "studies". Perhaps Harper can start a multi-million dollar "fact-finding mission" to get to the bottom of this. Edited October 1, 2012 by kraychik Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 How does an ADULT get banned from a Video game discussion board ? I've done it I'm also fat. Now are you guys going to continue your personal insults against the only person I've ever blocked on these forums and attack me though collateral damage, or are you going to prove his silly arguments wrong (or just block him like I did) Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 But, nothing you care to cut and paste and go "there...here's what I'm talking about" ?? Do you want me to provide a source to explain why generalizing about groups is incorrect ? It's called 'generalization fallacy' I think. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 It's revealing that you put religion and race in the same category. As far as "understanding a lot more", it reminds me of another Reagan phrase about leftists, "they know so much that isn't so". I think it's called 'groups' in our constitution. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) I think it's called 'groups' in our constitution. Religion is indeed a grounds upon which discrimination is prohibited in the Canadian constitution. Now do you need to have it explained to how things like race, gender, and age are different than religion, or can you figure that out or your own? Edited October 1, 2012 by kraychik Quote
wyly Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 I've done it I'm also fat. Now are you guys going to continue your personal insults against the only person I've ever blocked on these forums and attack me though collateral damage, or are you going to prove his silly arguments wrong (or just block him like I did) there's nothing to disprove...he just spews out hatred and personal opinion backed by nothing but more of his personal opinion, more hatred and ignores any challenge to "his" facts... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Religion is indeed a grounds upon which discrimination is prohibited in the Canadian constitution. Now do you need to have it explained to how things like race, gender, and age are different than religion, or can you figure that out or your own? Yes, you're correct these are all protected groups. Why do you think they're protected ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DogOnPorch Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Do you want me to provide a source to explain why generalizing about groups is incorrect ? It's called 'generalization fallacy' I think. I'm just asking what part of Churchill's 1899 (or so) statement you found to be untrue. Perhaps you could point to an Islamic run nation that doesn't fit that blurb in the 21st century? Or...is that, again, too much 'generalizing' for your liking? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 Yes, you're correct these are all protected groups. Why do you think they're protected ? Of course, you're unable to grasp how religion is separate from innate characteristics of a person. Thanks for answering my question, even though you answered the question unknowingly by avoiding it. This is why you almost use the terms race and religion interchangeably, because you don't realise that religion isn't really an intrinsic part of a person as race, gender, or age are. It's funny how defensive you are of religion in this case when you espouse your contempt for it in so many other places. Quote
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 I'm just asking what part of Churchill's 1899 (or so) statement you found to be untrue. Perhaps you could point to an Islamic run nation that doesn't fit that blurb in the 21st century? Or...is that, again, too much 'generalizing' for your liking? In Michael Hardner's world, the failures of most Muslim-majority countries have nothing to do with Islam. I think we need some research studies, about now. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 In Michael Hardner's world, the failures of most Muslim-majority countries have nothing to do with Islam. I think we need some research studies, about now. Oil flows from the ground in many of these places, yet hideous poverty, indentured servitude, blatant racism and intolerance all exist on grand scales. For any student of history, not much has changed since at least 1453 except what Western technology along with the sputter of nationalism that has slipped in. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Do you want me to provide a source to explain why generalizing about groups is incorrect ? It's called 'generalization fallacy' I think. There's nothing wrong with, immoral about, or even inaccurate in generalizing about a group, or judging that group, based on the long observed behaviour of that group. What you do have to be aware of is that individual behaviour can vary widely within the group. Thus you cannot 'pre-judge' an individual based on the observed group behaviour. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Of course, you're unable to grasp how religion is separate from innate characteristics of a person. Thanks for answering my question, even though you answered the question unknowingly by avoiding it. This is why you almost use the terms race and religion interchangeably, because you don't realise that religion isn't really an intrinsic part of a person as race, gender, or age are. It's funny how defensive you are of religion in this case when you espouse your contempt for it in so many other places. I don't think I have done that, as I come from a religious background. I have pointed out several times how you have mischaracterized me. No improvement. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
madmax Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 I've done it I'm also fat. Now are you guys going to continue your personal insults against the only person I've ever blocked on these forums and attack me though collateral damage, or are you going to prove his silly arguments wrong (or just block him like I did) LOL....Heck no. Because you blocked him, you actually miss the joke. When a person suggests all "leftists' spend their time on Video game forums, and then I discover that the said person is actually bitter because he was banned from his video game forum community, I can see why he is so bitter having been rejected by the videogame community. There is too much silly stuff in this thread and rather then block, I have decided to have fun with it, and participate in all of its nonsense. Mind you, there have been a handful of decent posts from some others in this thread, but mainly this is all "noise". Quote
kraychik Posted October 1, 2012 Author Report Posted October 1, 2012 Oil flows from the ground in many of these places, yet hideous poverty, indentured servitude, blatant racism and intolerance all exist on grand scales. For any student of history, not much has changed since at least 1453 except what Western technology along with the sputter of nationalism that has slipped in. Even if leftists like Michael Hardner or Black Dog were to actually open a history book, they would still continue to deflect from the relationship between Islamism and tyranny. They are committed to doing everything they can to obfuscate and pretend that unknown and far more complex factors are to blame for the systemic failures of this ideology, because they are terrified that it will be associated with Muslims and possibly lead a "moderate Muslim" to an unfair stereotype. The same people that invoke Timothy McVeigh in a desperate attempt to deflect from the virtual monopoly Islam has on contemporary terrorism are the same people who we should blame for why grandma's colostomy bag is being searched by the TSA and why Nidal Hasan was able to overtly express his Jihadist ideology as an army psychiatrist and succeed in his mission to murder American soldiers. Quote
dre Posted October 1, 2012 Report Posted October 1, 2012 Really? Mass murderers around the world committed by people shouting "Allahu Akbhar!" don't provide you with "any real evidence of a significant problem"? Perhaps you live on the same island of delusion with Black Dog and Michael Hardner. No various events in other countries dont provide me with evidence of a problem with Canadas immigration system. Perhaps you live on the same island of delusion with Black Dog and Michael Hardner. Well what ever Island I DO live on, immigration policy in Canada should be informed by studying Canadian immigrants. There looks to about 600 thousand of them which is an adequate sample. Is your position that these immigrants pose some kind of big problem? If so, what is your evidence? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
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