Pro-Obama Polling

[Shady]

The two issues I have with irresponsible polls like these, is that first, it's an obvious attemp at surpressing Republican turnout. And second, if Romney ends up winning the election, or even just winning some of these states, people are going to believe the election was "stolen" and question the legitimacy of the democratic process. Which is very dangerous for a public that already doesn't vote in great numbers. All this, just so the mainstream media can help re-elect the Messiah, the One, Barack Hussein Obama.

It borders on criminal. I've never seen the mainstream media so in the tank for a presidential candidate. Not only the polls, but in the political coverage. If Romney had referred to the middle east turmoil and the assassination of an American ambassador a "bump in the road" it would be a week long story in the mainstream media. If Rimney was the first president in 30 years not to hold any bi-lateral meetings at the UN summit, it would be another week long story in the mainstream media. If Romney had lied about the attack on the embassy as not being terrorist related, it would be a two week story in the mainstream media.

Maybe Obama gets a pass because he's the first affirmative action president. Where nothing is ever his responsibility. Unless its positive news, then he's given credit. How many presidents would have loved to have been in office under those conditions?!

[Smallc]

Maybe Obama gets a pass because he's the first affirmative action president.

Because we know Obama never gets criticized...ever. Perhaps if you didn't spend so much time reading right wing blogs and listening to US AM radio, you wouldn't have such clouded vision.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Smallc

[August1991]

Well, the latest sampling of the polls are out, and Obama's increased his lead. Not much of a surprise when you consider how they weighted the polls. It's borderline criminal.

If you're so certain of this mistaken polling, go to Intrade and create a trust fund for your grandchildren's tuition fees.

OTOH, if you believe that American voters are swayed by polls, well then, why bother favouring an American republic?

[Smallc]

Speaking of Intrade.....they must be reading the biased polls. Obama is now over 75%. Poor Shady.

[BubberMiley]

It's understandable that no one ever criticizes Foxnews polls, even though they have been generally even more favourable for Obama (I remember a +9 Obama before the convention!). They just ignore the Foxnews polls while criticizing the methodology of everyone else. The cognitive dissonance must be astounding.

But how in god's name could a "fake" slight lead for Obama lead to suppression of Republican voter turnout? These people are getting more and more delusional with their acute ODS. They're starting to scream at the walls.

[Shakeyhands]

Interesting article....

Obama leads Romney in new polling ahead of early voting

As a chorus of Republican loyalists cast doubt on the polls, suggesting Quinnipiac and others over-sampled Democrats, Newt Gingrich emerged as the latest party leader to unload on Romney with friendly fire.

Over sampled?

Edited September 27, 2012 by Shakeyhands

[kraychik]

Here is Obama's base (the 47%?):

[punked]

Here is Obama's base (the 47%?):

You know who the 47% are? They are Seniors who worked for years and now live off their savings, they are Veterans who have come back from war and now have trouble finding a job because the GOP blocked the Veterans job act, they are Americans whose vote has just as much say as anyone else. You can hate Americas Veterans all you want the house GOP clearly does but that doesn't make them any less American as anyone else. You better read the constitution because I don't think you have a clue what it says.

[BubberMiley]

The GOP would very much like people to believe that 47% of the country are black and on social assistance, and they are killing their campaign by doubling down on their idiocy.

And I am absolutely loving it.

[punked]

The GOP would very much like people to believe that 47% of the country are black and on social assistance, and they are killing their campaign by doubling down on their idiocy.

And I am absolutely loving it.

Its crazy because the people in their base and it is about half of them know they don't pay federal tax and are wondering "why are you attacking me? I vote for you". No wonder Romney is falling in the polls, he is going after his base in a base election.

[BubberMiley]

No wonder Romney is falling in the polls, he is going after his base in a base election.

His support among seniors dropped from +20 to +4 since the comments were publicized. Florida has moved from toss-up to trending blue. It's such a wonderful gift to the Obama campaign, and one that keeps giving. The crazy wingnut far-rightists in the party agree with what Romney said, and Rush told the GOP to double-down on it (and the GOP can't go against Rush), so Romney is stuck having to run against a solid chunk of his base. We can only hope those wingnuts keep disparaging the 47% until the election. Obama will probably get a landslide as a result, and they'll be angrily blaming the liberal media.

Life just gets better and better.

[August1991]

Here is Obama's base (the 47%?)...

Kraychik, if you are so convinced of Obama losing, go to Intrade and make some money for yourself, and your children.

[BC_chick]

Kraychik, if you are so convinced of Obama losing, go to Intrade and make some money for yourself, and your children.

Wow, you're right he's at 79% now!

[BubberMiley]

I tried this new Republican strategy at the Bomber game this weekend. Rather than admit they were losing, I just blamed the scoreboard.

[Shady]

LOL!!!!

The Washington Post's newest battleground poll, showing Obama up 11% over Romney has a margin of error of 8%!!! You can't make this stuff up!!! LOL. It's like they're not even trying anymore!!!

You’ve got to get deep into the weeds to tell what is going on. The Washington Post-ABC pollsters tell us that “52 percent of likely voters across swing states side with Obama and 41 percent with Romney in the new national poll.” But without the proper context, readers may jump to an incorrect conclusion when they see that figure, concluding that Obama is home-free in swing states. As I learned from Post pollster Jon Cohen, that finding is based on the responses of a total of 160 people, and it has a margin of error of 8 percentage points

The Washington Post

This is an example of pure media propaganda. They're not even trying to be objective anymore. They're in full "get Obama re-elected mode" no matter the cost. Perhaps they figure they'll repair the damage to the credibility later on. If they have any credibility left to repair.

[BubberMiley]

Don't you think giving Obama a fake lead would be more likely to make Democrats complacent than it would make Republicans discouraged? Or do you even bother to think before reciting from your blogs?

Oh right...you don't answer the uncomfortable questions. You still haven't explained why FoxNews has Obama +5.

Edited October 1, 2012 by BubberMiley

[Shakeyhands]

Oh right...you don't answer the uncomfortable questions. You still haven't explained why FoxNews has Obama +5.

Complete nonsense.

[sharkman]

LOL!!!!

The Washington Post's newest battleground poll, showing Obama up 11% over Romney has a margin of error of 8%!!! You can't make this stuff up!!! LOL. It's like they're not even trying anymore!!!

This is an example of pure media propaganda. They're not even trying to be objective anymore. They're in full "get Obama re-elected mode" no matter the cost. Perhaps they figure they'll repair the damage to the credibility later on. If they have any credibility left to repair.

I have never seen the media elites so open with their biases and propaganda. And yet with all that, Romney is still within striking distance. Much like Reagan with Carter in 1980.

[BubberMiley]

You're saying FoxNews is biased towards Obama? Is that how you explain their poll saying he's +5?

Or are you scared to acknowledge reality too, and take comfort in blaming media bias for everything?

Edited October 2, 2012 by BubberMiley

[sharkman]

Uh, what point specifically are you making, or is this just another one of your attempts at playing games("Gotcha, your move!").

Edited October 2, 2012 by sharkman

[BubberMiley]

Uh, what point specifically are you making, or is this just another one of your attempts at playing games("Gotcha, your move!").

I thought it was obvious. You cry to the heavens about the enormous bias of everyone in the media and all the polls, and you cite as evidence the fact that the polls have Obama at between +2 and +4 on average. You say they are obviously spiking Obama's numbers because this will somehow give him an advantage in the election.

Then FoxNews, who gave you this idea in the first place, comes along with a poll that says Obama is +5. Once again, I ask, what do you make of this? Are they too biased towards Obama?

Your move.

[cybercoma]

For some reason, the polls lately have skewed significantly in favour of President Obama. I don't know if it's just accidental, or if it's a conerted effort by the mainstream media, but the sampling in the polls since just before the DNC convention has been highly suspect.

First we'll start with CNN's latest garbage:

CNN released a poll showing Obama 52 Romney 46. At first glance, anyone would assume that it's legit. But when you look at their math, and compare it to 4 years ago, it doesn't make any sense at all. They have Romney winning independents by 14 points, but somehow trailing Obama by 6 points overall. That's some pretty fuzzy math considering Independents made up 30% of the electorate in '08 (Dems made up 39% and Reps made up 32%.

CNN doesn't publish it's sampling percentages, so it's impossible to tell for sure how they're polling.

Next we'll look at the recent PPP poll showing Obama up 5 in Ohio:

Their sampling is ridiculous. They sampled 41% Dem, 37% Rep, and only 22% Independent. In 2010, the actual split was 36% Dem, 37% Rep and 28% Independent. Back in 2008, at the height of Hope n Change, the split was 39% Dem, 32% Rep, and 30% Independent. So apparently they're predicting a record turnout in Ohio for Obama, even bigger than in '08, despite Ohio being a traditionally red state. Not only that, but in '08, Obama won Independents by 8 points, and the state itself by 5 points overall. However, this poll shows Romney leading Independents by 2 points. That's a 10 points swing from Obama in '08, yet he's supposidly winning the state by the same margin? Riiiight.

Independents composed 30% of the electorate in both '08 and '10, yet for some reason PPP thinks that Independents will only make up 22% this time around. Riiiight.

Lastly, let's look at the newest poll, the Washington Post/ABC News poll:

They have Obama leading Romney by 1 percent, despite outsampling Dems 33% to Reps 23%. That's a 10 point difference! Never in the history of elections has there ever been that kind of Dem advantage. Like I said, even at the height of Hope n Change, the Dems only had a 6 point advantage. And even at the height of Hope n Change, Republicans still composed 32% of the electorate. Not 23%. This poll is essentially media malpractice.

In conclusion, a poll is only as good and as accurate as the sampling it's based on. So make sure you look at the sampling data before believing any of the results.

It's called weighting, Shady.

[sharkman]

One post constitutes crying to the heavens, eh Bubber? I think that reveals your bias, which makes you unreliable in such topics.

But anyway, if you'll note, I was refering to the media, not the polling organizations. The way the news people cover any Obama administration story vs any Romeny campaign story, and it isn't subtle. As for this Fox poll you reference, I've not heard about it nor the methodology used, nor when it was taken. I thought you didn't care for Fox's coverage, so that must mean you are only referencing it now to needle people. Are you bored?

Edited October 2, 2012 by sharkman

[BubberMiley]

One post constitutes crying to the heavens, eh Bubber?

Are you bored?

One post that constitutes crying to the heavens constitutes crying to the heavens.

Shady was talking about the bias of the existing polls. Try to keep up with the conversation if you're going to comment.

Good strategy pleading ignorance though. No one can dispute that.

[cybercoma]

This thread was amazing. Shady is so far out of his element here.