TheNewTeddy Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) I'm a huge "Province Rights" person, to the point that I'd like to see the feds in charge of Defence, Tariffs, Canada Post The Postal System and Rules, Currency, Equalization (reduced) and the Federal Debt, while the Provinces do just about everything else. This was outlined and supported in the "Allaire Report" I have met, however, people who think the Provinces should be abolished. I am curious if anyone here feels that way and could articulate as to why? Personally I think this is a terrible idea. Edited August 25, 2012 by TheNewTeddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm a huge "Province Rights" person, to the point that I'd like to see the feds in charge of Defence, Tariffs, Canada Post, Currency, Equalization (reduced) and the Federal Debt, while the Provinces do just about everything else. This was outlined and supported in the "Allaire Report" I have met, however, people who think the Provinces should be abolished. I am curious if anyone here feels that way and could articulate as to why? Personally I think this is a terrible idea. Well my view is, IF we are going to have PM like Harper, I rather have the provinces have the most power and perhaps that what Harper is trying to do. What is Ottawa good for, at least under Harper, spending, debt attacking social programs that seniors need. I can't see why the provinces and territories can't so what Ottawa does. Of course, I could always change my mind with a decent PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Why do we need Canada Post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Why do we need Canada Post? I am unsure if you are trolling to make a point or you actually hold this view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I am unsure if you are trolling to make a point or you actually hold this view? I'm shocked its privatization was not brought up last year. I don't see the need for it as a crown corporation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm a huge "Province Rights" person, to the point that I'd like to see the feds in charge of Defence, Tariffs, Canada Post, Currency, Equalization (reduced) and the Federal Debt, while the Provinces do just about everything else. This was outlined and supported in the "Allaire Report" Yep pretty much an American State/Federal relationship that you are looking for. In my opinion this would destroy Canada! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm shocked its privatization was not brought up last year. I don't see the need for it as a crown corporation. Yah fuck everyone in rural Canada AM I RIGHT??? Seriously you live in Newfoundland one of the most subsidizes provinces in the Federation in terms of mail delivery you can't actually believe this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think BC should have the right to get royalties for oil going through the pipeline. After all, they do have more risk than Alberta. In a capitalist society, isn't risk supposed to be associated with a higher potential gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Feds controlling the post means we keep our postal codes. Otherwise, we might have to come up with an entirely new system should the provinces disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yah fuck everyone in rural Canada AM I RIGHT??? Seriously you live in Newfoundland one of the most subsidizes provinces in the Federation in terms of mail delivery you can't actually believe this. I think it needs to be looked into. I ordered two things last week off the Internet and its a lot better having FedEx deliver to my house then have to try and get to the post office to pick up my package that Canada Post was responsible for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think BC should have the right to get royalties for oil going through the pipeline. After all, they do have more risk than Alberta. In a capitalist society, isn't risk supposed to be associated with a higher potential gain? Why should they get Alberta's royalties if a private company wants to build a pipeline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j44 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yep pretty much an American State/Federal relationship that you are looking for. In my opinion this would destroy Canada! WWWTT How/Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think it needs to be looked into. I ordered two things last week off the Internet and its a lot better having FedEx deliver to my house then have to try and get to the post office to pick up my package that Canada Post was responsible for. Yah but what does Fedex do on the routes it does want to deliver to? You think they are flying a plane into Goosebay? Nope they just walk over to Canada post pay the price and have them deliver that last leg. Having a national postal service that goes anywhere in Canada is an asset to our country and economy. They might not be everything you ask for but they go everywhere and do everything for CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP. It makes our country stronger that you know if you live in far North that if you put a order in for the winter in a month Canada post will be flying it all in even taking a loss on it so people can still pull diamonds from the ground. Think about it for a minute. Privatization would hurt our country because Fed Ex isn't going to the places where it will take a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yah but what does Fedex do on the routes it does want to deliver to? You think they are flying a plane into Goosebay? Nope they just walk over to Canada post pay the price and have them deliver that last leg. Having a national postal service that goes anywhere in Canada is an asset to our country and economy. They might not be everything you ask for but they go everywhere and do everything for CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP. It makes our country stronger that you know if you live in far North that if you put a order in for the winter in a month Canada post will be flying it all in even taking a loss on it so people can still pull diamonds from the ground. Think about it for a minute. Privatization would hurt our country because Fed Ex isn't going to the places where it will take a loss. Other countries have done it. I'd like to see it exploited, I agree it could be an issue in rural nd remote areas but it can still be looked into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Other countries have done it. I'd like to see it exploited, I agree it could be an issue in rural nd remote areas but it can still be looked into. What countries? I would love to see a model remembering our country is huge and spread out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) What countries? I would love to see a model remembering our country is huge and spread out. Here are some articles. http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blog/consumer_insight/30713--20-reasons-for-ending-canada-post-s-monopoly http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/want-better-mail-service-look-abroad Here's an article by one of my favourite people Andrew Coyne on Canada Post. http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/06/17/rain-or-shine-the-monopoly-must-end/ We could also look at just ending the monopoly, though I doubt they'd last long after that. Edited August 25, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Here are some articles. http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blog/consumer_insight/30713--20-reasons-for-ending-canada-post-s-monopoly http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/want-better-mail-service-look-abroad Here's an article by one of my favourite people Andrew Coyne on Canada Post. http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/06/17/rain-or-shine-the-monopoly-must-end/ We could also look at just ending the monopoly, though I doubt they'd last long after that. All of those are from extreme right wingers who believe in privatizing everything anything from the centrists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 All of those are from extreme right wingers who believe in privatizing everything anything from the centrists? Hmmm.. Maybe I'll check Rabble for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I have met, however, people who think the Provinces should be abolished. I am curious if anyone here feels that way and could articulate as to why? Personally I think this is a terrible idea. I wouldn't so much abolish the idea of provinces but I'd reconfigure their borders and create more based on natural bioregional lines that divide our lands and seascape. This would rationalize their environmental management which should mesh more naturally with their economic management - provinces would be defined by their natural physical characteristics such as watershed boundaries and islands (i.e Vancouver Island) for example. I think more smaller regional governments would lead to better accountability simply because centres of power would be physically closer to the populations they administer. It simply be a lot easier for people to go down to their regional capital and voice their discontent in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Hmmm.. Maybe I'll check Rabble for you. I am not being crazy here. You linked to the CATO institute. You might want to check your links next time the CATO institute is an extreme organization founded by the Koch brothers. You might want to look into that. Its jobs is to write policy papers that push public opinion on things that will make the Koch brothers richest and nothing else. They write papers on getting rid of the minimum wage, how global warming isn't real, they advocate a flat tax...the goes on and on. They are todays John Birch Society and just like 30 years ago we laughed at people who linked to their ideas we should laugh at you now. Get a real link and I will read it I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Why should they get Alberta's royalties if a private company wants to build a pipeline? Why should electronics companies sell their products to retailers at a fraction of the retail price? Because without retailers there is no market. Without the pipeline, there are no royalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I am not being crazy here. You linked to the CATO institute. You might want to check your links next time the CATO institute is an extreme organization founded by the Koch brothers. You might want to look into that. Its jobs is to write policy papers that push public opinion on things that will make the Koch brothers richest and nothing else. They write papers on getting rid of the minimum wage, how global warming isn't real, they advocate a flat tax...the goes on and on. They are todays John Birch Society and just like 30 years ago we laughed at people who linked to their ideas we should laugh at you now. Get a real link and I will read it I promise. What about Andrew Coyne? Is the Montreal Economic Institute right wing, centrist, left wing or what because they've done a paper on it too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Why should electronics companies sell their products to retailers at a fraction of the retail price? Because without retailers there is no market. Without the pipeline, there are no royalties. The company should pay them not Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 What about Andrew Coyne? Is the Montreal Economic Institute right wing, centrist, left wing or what because they've done a paper on it too? They are all clearly right win. The MEI was run by Maxime Bernier. Seriously I am not trying to be difficult here but those sources are terrible I will read them later anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 The company should pay them not Alberta. Where will the company get the money to pay them? The customer of course but the customer will only be willing to pay so much so if the producer still wants to sell, they will have to lower their price. Who is the producer again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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