Wisconsin Shikh temple shooting

[GostHacked]

Funny thing is that those who push for banning firearms cannot explain or downright ignore the increase in violence.

Agreed, only the law abiding people would turn in their guns. The criminals don't care either way, they are keeping their guns.

[socialist]

Agreed, only the law abiding people would turn in their guns. The criminals don't care either way, they are keeping their guns.

all guns will be confiscated and it will be illegal to get any. no one will have them. how hard is that to understand?

[socialist]

Troll

ha. the typical reply of a weak mind.

[GostHacked]

all guns will be confiscated and it will be illegal to get any. no one will have them. how hard is that to understand?

When you get the criminals to turn all their guns in I might be inclined to listen. How hard is that for you to understand?

Damn you sound like a page right out of the UN's Agenda 21 handbook.

[Canuckistani]

Why? Because you think there's more? Then prove it. Show us what a huge problem it is in America, even as the people you speak of continue to choose to emigrate to the U.S. post 9-11.

But again, what you are doing would be like me posting about every act of terrorism I can find, attributing it to "Muslims," and then saying to you - if you think that's all there is, you have a problem.

Quite frankly, it was a Sikh organization based in Canada that was responsible for blowing up Air India flight 182, killing over 300 people. There has continued to be problems with violence from the Sikh community in Canada. So should we make the same generalizations about the Sikhs that you are making about Americans?

That would be racist. Generalizing about Americans is just good clean fun. I'm well aware of Sikh terrorism. I live in the town they hail from, I talk to Sikhs that make excuses for it or claim the Indian govt did it. I also speak with white Canadians to call Sikh's "Hindus" and can't seem to differentiate between them and Pakistanis. I bet it's the same in America.

So now you are attributing what you believe Americans are capable of thinking to Americans. Good to know where you are coming from. It's interesting, to say the least that all of this speculation and attributing what a small percentage of Americans have done to "Americans" is not only so readily acceptable, but it seems to be the desire of a certain segment. I'm glad to see this. It's a real learning experience. I used to think that Americans, the U.S., were a problem, but now I see the bigger problem is with others. It's good to know, and you just reinforce it.

What is the quote? "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of Americans?" Same applies to politics. I admit I can't quite follow your meaning in this paragraph, but y'all do have a certain proportion of numbnuts in your population, you've got to admit that.

[socialist]

When you get the criminals to turn all their guns in I might be inclined to listen. How hard is that for you to understand?

Damn you sound like a page right out of the UN's Agenda 21 handbook.

gun violence in the usa is a joke. how come there isn't this constant violence in europe. i'll tell you why. europe has strict gun laws. that's why. the usa is clinging to a relic that incites racist violence like what just happened in wisconsin. thank goodness many north americans are starting to realize that europe has a much better system in almost everything than we in north america.

[Signals.Cpl]

all guns will be confiscated and it will be illegal to get any. no one will have them. how hard is that to understand?

Troll^2

[Signals.Cpl]

ha. the typical reply of a weak mind.

Man, you really are a troll... nothing of value to add.

[Signals.Cpl]

gun violence in the usa is a joke. how come there isn't this constant violence in europe. i'll tell you why. europe has strict gun laws. that's why. the usa is clinging to a relic that incites racist violence like what just happened in wisconsin. thank goodness many north americans are starting to realize that europe has a much better system in almost everything than we in north america.

Sure helped them in Norway didnt it? And the shootings in Finland, Switzerland, Germany...I can go on but you are a troll so I dont want to waste more of my time.

[socialist]

Sure helped them in Norway didnt it? And the shootings in Finland, Switzerland, Germany...I can go on but you are a troll so I dont want to waste more of my time.

there aren't many shootings in europe at all. the norway shooting was the only one we heard about. i watch the cbc every day and never have i heard of shootings in europe like there are in good ole gun happy usa. you pull BS out of your ass to try to make a point but you have no proof.

[Signals.Cpl]

there aren't many shootings in europe at all. the norway shooting was the only one we heard about. i watch the cbc every day and never have i heard of shootings in europe like there are in good ole gun happy usa. you pull BS out of your ass to try to make a point but you have no proof.

Germany, there is a shooting in a school every once in a while.

France a few months ago there was the shooting in souther France I think.

Finland, every so often someone snaps and kills a bunch of people.

Italy is the same, so is Spain.

I know reading is hard for you, but researching the bullsh*t coming out of you could be benefitial might help you spew less of it around here.

[GostHacked]

gun violence in the usa is a joke. how come there isn't this constant violence in europe. i'll tell you why. europe has strict gun laws. that's why. the usa is clinging to a relic that incites racist violence like what just happened in wisconsin. thank goodness many north americans are starting to realize that europe has a much better system in almost everything than we in north america.

There is not constant violence in Europe? Oh please do tell. Economic riots in Greece, Italy, Spain. Racial tensions creating violence in England and France, the London Riots (protesting tuition fee increases). And this is all in the last year. They don't need guns to go out and FSU when the government fails to live up to doing their actual job which is to look out for the best interest of the people.

The only joke so far in this thread is you.

[socialist]

Germany, there is a shooting in a school every once in a while.

France a few months ago there was the shooting in souther France I think.

Finland, every so often someone snaps and kills a bunch of people.

Italy is the same, so is Spain.

I know reading is hard for you, but researching the bullsh*t coming out of you could be benefitial might help you spew less of it around here.

where can i read about these"claims" of yours? huh? hmmm??

[WWWTT]

It's not separated at all. You made the comment that "there is too much hate in the U.S." I doubt you would ever say "there is too much hate within Islam" even in reaction to the almost 2000 Americans killed by Muslims on 9-11. Or do you believe that there is too much hate in Islam? It's an appropriate question in light of your judgment of the U.S. - and the bending over backwards of so many to point out that only a very small percentage of Muslims have that kind of hate. So what's your answer? How do you think most people would answer? There's the proof you were asking for.

Too much hate within Islam?I agree with you,I would not say that.

US is a country and Islam is a religion.

Perhaps I may write "there is too much hate in Iraq or Morocco",but not a specific religion.I don't think anyways.

Sorry but I do not see the need to get sidetracked like this.

If you want to discuss Islam then start a thread about it.

I am not interested at this time.

WWWTT

[Signals.Cpl]

where can i read about these"claims" of yours? huh? hmmm??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe

I dont have the time to go and find you the individual news articles, but over the last 32 years there has been at least 45 spree killings in Europe and that list is incomeplete. While at the same time there have been at least 44 spree killings in the US during the same time period. Around 13 school massacars in the US over the same time period while at least 10 in Europe and its an incomplete list.

Religious/Racial spree killing Europe=4, US=1 but probably a few more.

Attacks using vehicles=6 in europe and 6 in the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myyrmanni_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundolf_K%C3%B6hler

And there is much more that I dont have the time to look at. If you were 1/10 as smart as you think you are you would have known about what you are talking about and how much bull it actualy is.

[Guest American Woman]

Sorry but I do not see the need to get sidetracked like this.

I saw a need to make a point, and I did. You responded. Over and over. Here's a tip. Next time you don't feel the need to get sidetracked like this, don't respond. At any rate, I made my point, and you helped prove the validity of it. Thanks.

[Guest American Woman]

gun violence in the usa is a joke. how come there isn't this constant violence in europe.

There is constant violence in Europe, and anyone who isn't busy fixating on the U.S. is aware of it.

[WWWTT]

At any rate, I made my point, and you helped prove the validity of it. Thanks.

WWWTT

[Guest American Woman]

socialist, on 07 August 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

gun violence in the usa is a joke. how come there isn't this constant violence in europe.

There is constant violence in Europe, and anyone who isn't busy fixating on the U.S. is aware of it.

STOCKHOLM — A string of up to 15 shootings has targeted people of immigrant background in the southern city of Malmo over the past year, police said Friday. Police spokesman Borje Sjoholm said the attacks began in Malmo in December, although Swedish media report they include the fatal shooting last October of a 20-year-old woman who was sitting in a car.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39798567/ns/world_news-europe/t/swedish-city-edge-shooting-spree/#.UCGjs_ZlRoE

Teens killed in Finland shooting spree: Police arrest 18-year-old after two people of same age killed and seven others wounded by rooftop gunman.

In recent years, Finland has also seen at least three school shootings.

Two months ago, a 23-year-old gunman wounded the father of his former girlfriend in an office building before firing several shots through a classroom door in southern Finland.

In 2008, a culinary student killed nine fellow students and a teacher before shooting himself at a vocational school in the western town of Kauhajoki.

In 2007, an 18-year-old killed six fellow students, a nurse and the head teacher at a high school in Tuusula, southern Finland.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/05/201252661516228659.html

A TEEN shooter went on a bloody rampage at a German high school today killing 15 people before shooting himself during a gunfight with cops.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2312580/German-school-shooting-A-teenager-kills-16-people-at-a-high-school-in-Winnenden-Germany-before-being-shot-by-police.html

Anders Behring Breivik described in pitiless detail on Friday how he massacred 67 Norwegians on Utoya island, shooting some who begged for their lives and others who feigned death.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9217315/Anders-Behring-Breiviks-Norway-shooting-spree-relived-in-chilling-detail.html

French anti-terrorism police blasted into a Toulouse apartment Thursday and, in a fierce gun battle, killed the young Islamic radical who admitted killing three off-duty soldiers, three Jewish schoolchildren and a rabbi in an eight-day terrorism spree.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/mohammed-merah-shooting-suspect-wants-to-die-fighting-official-says/2012/03/22/gIQAJkYCTS_story.html

Muslims attending morning prayers Wednesday were confronted by two pigs' heads in the entrance to their mosque in a French town where an Islamist gunman killed two paratroopers in March.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pigs-heads-dumped-at-mosque-in-france-shooting-spree-town.aspx?pageID=238&nID=26832&NewsCatID=351

ALPHEN AAN DEN RIJN, Netherlands (AP) — A man armed with a machine gun opened fire in a crowded shopping mall on Saturday, killing six people and wounding 15, then committed suicide, officials and witnesses said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/20111213125725322987.html'>http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/20111213125725322987.html

A gunman killed 12 people and injured 11 on a rampage in Cumbria in north-west England in June 2010.

In 2001, a disgruntled local man shot dead 14 people in the Swiss town of Zug.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16176658

Body found at Belgian shooter's garage: Police find body on gunman's property as Liege reels in aftermath of attack that left several dead including baby girl.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/20111213125725322987

Edited August 8, 2012 by American Woman

[socialist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Europe

I dont have the time to go and find you the individual news articles, but over the last 32 years there has been at least 45 spree killings in Europe and that list is incomeplete. While at the same time there have been at least 44 spree killings in the US during the same time period. Around 13 school massacars in the US over the same time period while at least 10 in Europe and its an incomplete list.

Religious/Racial spree killing Europe=4, US=1 but probably a few more.

Attacks using vehicles=6 in europe and 6 in the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myyrmanni_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundolf_K%C3%B6hler

And there is much more that I dont have the time to look at. If you were 1/10 as smart as you think you are you would have known about what you are talking about and how much bull it actualy is.

I hope wyly comes here and straightens you out on this topic like he has on so many others.

[Guest Derek L]

all guns will be confiscated and it will be illegal to get any. no one will have them. how hard is that to understand?

And how is the Government, here or the United States, going to do that?

[Guest American Woman]

The U.S. didn't even make the top 10 in violent crimes per 100,000 residents.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents link

[Signals.Cpl]

I hope wyly comes here and straightens you out on this topic like he has on so many others.

You posted some bullshit, and when proven wrong you want somebody to straighten me out? What is wyly gonna do, whine a little more? Throw a tantrum? Cry some more?

You are a troll and a half, you don't know sh*t and when proven wrong you can't even admit it... you should be more respectful of your intellectual superiors... which amounts to most of the people on the board.

Edited August 8, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

[socialist]

You posted some bullshit, and when proven wrong you want somebody to straighten me out? What is wyly gonna do, whine a little more? Throw a tantrum? Cry some more?

You are a troll and a half, you don't know sh*t and when proven wrong you can't even admit it... you should be more respectful of your intellectual superiors... which amounts to most of the people on the board.

you are an intellectual lightweight. you pretend to know lots but i see through your thin smokescreen. the USA has the most violent gun crimes in the western world. that is a FACT but i guess you don't like facts.

[socialist]

STOCKHOLM — A string of up to 15 shootings has targeted people of immigrant background in the southern city of Malmo over the past year, police said Friday. Police spokesman Borje Sjoholm said the attacks began in Malmo in December, although Swedish media report they include the fatal shooting last October of a 20-year-old woman who was sitting in a car.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39798567/ns/world_news-europe/t/swedish-city-edge-shooting-spree/#.UCGjs_ZlRoE

Teens killed in Finland shooting spree: Police arrest 18-year-old after two people of same age killed and seven others wounded by rooftop gunman.

In recent years, Finland has also seen at least three school shootings.

Two months ago, a 23-year-old gunman wounded the father of his former girlfriend in an office building before firing several shots through a classroom door in southern Finland.

In 2008, a culinary student killed nine fellow students and a teacher before shooting himself at a vocational school in the western town of Kauhajoki.

In 2007, an 18-year-old killed six fellow students, a nurse and the head teacher at a high school in Tuusula, southern Finland.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/05/201252661516228659.html

A TEEN shooter went on a bloody rampage at a German high school today killing 15 people before shooting himself during a gunfight with cops.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2312580/German-school-shooting-A-teenager-kills-16-people-at-a-high-school-in-Winnenden-Germany-before-being-shot-by-police.html

Anders Behring Breivik described in pitiless detail on Friday how he massacred 67 Norwegians on Utoya island, shooting some who begged for their lives and others who feigned death.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9217315/Anders-Behring-Breiviks-Norway-shooting-spree-relived-in-chilling-detail.html

French anti-terrorism police blasted into a Toulouse apartment Thursday and, in a fierce gun battle, killed the young Islamic radical who admitted killing three off-duty soldiers, three Jewish schoolchildren and a rabbi in an eight-day terrorism spree.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/mohammed-merah-shooting-suspect-wants-to-die-fighting-official-says/2012/03/22/gIQAJkYCTS_story.html

Muslims attending morning prayers Wednesday were confronted by two pigs' heads in the entrance to their mosque in a French town where an Islamist gunman killed two paratroopers in March.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pigs-heads-dumped-at-mosque-in-france-shooting-spree-town.aspx?pageID=238&nID=26832&NewsCatID=351

ALPHEN AAN DEN RIJN, Netherlands (AP) — A man armed with a machine gun opened fire in a crowded shopping mall on Saturday, killing six people and wounding 15, then committed suicide, officials and witnesses said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/20111213125725322987.html'>http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/20111213125725322987.html

A gunman killed 12 people and injured 11 on a rampage in Cumbria in north-west England in June 2010.

In 2001, a disgruntled local man shot dead 14 people in the Swiss town of Zug.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16176658

Body found at Belgian shooter's garage: Police find body on gunman's property as Liege reels in aftermath of attack that left several dead including baby girl.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/12/20111213125725322987

These sources you quote are dubious. I don't buy them. A few isolated incidents in Europe doesn't make it violent compared to the gun loving USA.