jacee Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Bland office towers? have you even been to calgary within the last ten years? well calgary is far the best city in the world let's not get carried away comparing it to the armpits of Canada such as Edmonton, Winnipeg or Regina... Everybody thinks their town is the best. I can give Harper a pass for crowing about his hometown. I can't believe how stupid the media has become, making a big deal about this. I live in Hamilton, the best city in Canada. Most people don't know that. It's a hidden gem, diamond in the rough kind of place with great theatre, concerts, art/music scene, walkable neighbourhoods,transit, affordable real estate, waterfront, boating and the escarpment and Bruce Trail (and lots of others) running right through it ... and you can be in the country in 10 minutes from anywhere in the city ... oh, and REAL Italian cappucino/espresso/latte shops as well as the Starbucks pretenders! (But don't spread the word around ... we like to keep it our secret. ) Quote
jacee Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Agreed, we need a stronger 4th party. I propose another conservative party. But this one, not as right-wing. Not as "Neo". One that is more progressive, a Progressive Conservative party..! YES!! And bring back Jim Prentice to lead it. Now there's a man, a true blue Canadian with heart, smarts, honesty, integrity and the ability to collaborate across party lines to do what's in the best interests of ALL Canadians. I'm a lefty by default because the Conservatives of my era have been horrible predatory narcississts and corporate lackeys. Not saying I'd change my stripes now, but I see potential for a future of awesome progress IF we can work together. Bring back some true progressive conservative Canadians - not these megacorp puppets and change the political scene to one that truly is an international model and example ... and watch Canada fly! Right now we're mired in extreme partisanship born of megacorp dominance, fighting battles - economy VS environment, employers VS employees, rich VS poor - that shouldn't be battles but opportunities for innovation, collaboration and world leadership in prospering in harmony with each other and with the environment. We've fallen victim to the US mentality of 'divide and conquer' the people, when we should instead aspire to a system that unites Canadians in common purpose. Quote
wyly Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Everybody thinks their town is the best. I can give Harper a pass for crowing about his hometown. I can't believe how stupid the media has become, making a big deal about this. I edited that post I like where I live but I'm not in love with it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
scribblet Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Get a grip guys, so he likes Calgary, so what <big yawn> Irrational hatred of Harper Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
WWWTT Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 don't see how that's any different than before, combined progressive vote in alberta is generally in the 40% range and that still doesn't change electoral results with the FPTP system...with 60% conservative support means they sweep everything except that little spec of socialism in edmonton... I can't see the NDP putting a lot of effort into alberta it's seat count is irrelevant in the bigger picture...equal the conservative seat count in Ontario and the harper regime is done and alberta is alone in the wilderness... You could be right.But keep in mind that Rome was not built in a day Trends always start small and work up. We will have to see what happens over the next couple of years.If the NDP push 20% in Alberta and start climbing to 25% then the conservatives will start panicking.And there will be many more comments like this one and policy to match. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Wait a minute, Karychik, your judgement of me being a leftist is wrong. I concern myself an independent, I will judge whoever the PM is by THEIR actions and statements. Would I vote for the Conservatives? Not under this party and their leader. I did vote for Mulroney, twice and regretted it after Free Trade. Your statement that I prefer a dishonest politican, is also wrong, I voted against the Liberals in 2005-06. Dishonest politicans shouldn't be in the PMO agree? Perhaps I misjudged you. Still, all human beings have preferences. We have favourite foods, favourite music, a favourite climate, and so forth. I am unconcerned with a PM expressing a (presumably) sincere preference for his favourite city. A politician can easily maintain good ethics while personally preferring a specific city, or even province. Just as a judge can prefer a certain side in a trial on a personal level, but judge against that side in the interests of justice. What we should worry about is whether there is real political favouritism going on in the interests of corruption, which happens all the time with politicians. Consider Ontario's favouritism to Toronto as a current example. Quote
wyly Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 We will have to see what happens over the next couple of years.If the NDP push 20% in Alberta and start climbing to 25% then the conservatives will start panicking. as long as the support the NDP gains does not come at liberal expense otherwise it's the same story... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
WWWTT Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 as long as the support the NDP gains does not come at liberal expense otherwise it's the same story... Not necessarily true in my opinion. Any momentum is good momentum! True it is numerically better that the NDP support come at the expense of Harper.But there will always be those who like jumping on band wagons.After all that's how Harper got his majority in the first place. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
wyly Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Not necessarily true in my opinion. Any momentum is good momentum! True it is numerically better that the NDP support come at the expense of Harper.But there will always be those who like jumping on band wagons.After all that's how Harper got his majority in the first place. WWWTT if Mulcair's approach is sensible he can gain converts, albertans have concerns about ecological damage but they also have understandable concerns regarding their jobs as well, if Mulcair can balance the two people will listen...and if albertans don't even want to talk to Mulcair(redford) they risk cutting their own throats the NDP doesn't need any HOC seats in Alberta to become the next government, it's better to be on adult speaking terms than ignoring future potential PM's... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
WWWTT Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 if Mulcair's approach is sensible he can gain converts, albertans have concerns about ecological damage but they also have understandable concerns regarding their jobs as well, if Mulcair can balance the two people will listen...and if albertans don't even want to talk to Mulcair(redford) they risk cutting their own throats the NDP doesn't need any HOC seats in Alberta to become the next government, it's better to be on adult speaking terms than ignoring future potential PM's... Madmax started a thread explaining that Mulcair is now doing this.(at least in part) And there are poll numbers to support this. Which brings us back to the original thread here.Why did Harper say Calgary is the greatest city in the world(or Canada) I'm certain that Harper is concerned with the NDP strengthening poll numbers in Alberta! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
wyly Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 I'm certain that Harper is concerned with the NDP strengthening poll numbers in Alberta! WWWTT well if you view it as a "canary in a coalmine" situation then yes you're right...if the NDP/Mulcair can weaken conservative support in fortress Alberta then it's a sign it's happening elsewhere on a bigger scale...and then there are the optics of that, the media will run stories on any gain and the Harperites don't want people thinking the unthinkable and start a stampede of progressives leaving the liberals and moving into the NDP camp in an anyone but Harper movement... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
cybercoma Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 Besides, Mulcair's stance on Alberta, as was pointed out in the other thread, is very sensible. It's the position of many provincial Conservatives past and present. Let's develop the oil sands in a sustainable way and refine the bitumen in Canada to create jobs in other parts of the country that may be weakened by the strong Canadian dollar. It's a very balanced and sensible approach to the economy and spreading the prosperity around. Why we're shipping bitumen to the coast and giving it away to Communists in China, so they can build their economies refining it is beyond me. Quote
kraychik Posted July 13, 2012 Report Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Besides, Mulcair's stance on Alberta, as was pointed out in the other thread, is very sensible. It's the position of many provincial Conservatives past and present. Let's develop the oil sands in a sustainable way and refine the bitumen in Canada to create jobs in other parts of the country that may be weakened by the strong Canadian dollar. It's a very balanced and sensible approach to the economy and spreading the prosperity around. Why we're shipping bitumen to the coast and giving it away to Communists in China, so they can build their economies refining it is beyond me. God bless the communists like cybercoma who are the benevolent directors of our economy! Oh, woe is me, as I do not have a mastermid like cybercome directing my economic and social decisions for me in my own best interest! How much do you charge for your economic guidance, cybercoma? Edited July 13, 2012 by kraychik Quote
wyly Posted July 14, 2012 Report Posted July 14, 2012 Besides, Mulcair's stance on Alberta, as was pointed out in the other thread, is very sensible. It's the position of many provincial Conservatives past and present. which posted in the other thread as well, this was grievance of all political parties in western canada, that we were restricted to be being resource economies...now that a socialist wants to change that it's suddenly viewed as unacceptable by conservatives, as long as I've lived in alberta it's conservative governments have always made efforts to encourage manufacturing in alberta... Let's develop the oil sands in a sustainable way and refine the bitumen in Canada to create jobs in other parts of the country that may be weakened by the strong Canadian dollar. It's a very balanced and sensible approach to the economy and spreading the prosperity around. Why we're shipping bitumen to the coast and giving it away to Communists in China, so they can build their economies refining it is beyond me.ya according to Derek we're landlocked and can't ship refined oil from our ports because we don't have any ports, but apparently we can ship raw bitumen from those ports we don't have Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
-TSS- Posted July 14, 2012 Report Posted July 14, 2012 There was an interesting article in the Economist edition July 7-13th about Canadian politics. The article concluded that Harper is really losing the grip. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 14, 2012 Report Posted July 14, 2012 God bless the communists like cybercoma who are the benevolent directors of our economy! Oh, woe is me, as I do not have a mastermid like cybercome directing my economic and social decisions for me in my own best interest! How much do you charge for your economic guidance, cybercoma? You're right. I can't address your points. Probably because you don't have any. Quote
bleeding heart Posted July 14, 2012 Report Posted July 14, 2012 ya according to Derek we're landlocked and can't ship refined oil from our ports because we don't have any ports, but apparently we can ship raw bitumen from those ports we don't have Have some appreciation for faith-based magic, wyly..... Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
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