human rights watch report on syria and the state department

[bud]

HRW has extensive coverage of human rights violations in syria. here is a link to their page: http://www.hrw.org/taxonomy/term/238/all

during the july 3rd press briefing, an interesting exchange happened between the government spokeswoman, victoria nuland and reporter matthew lee:

*MS. NULAND:* We have no reason to believe that it [Human Rights Watch report on Syria] is not credible. It’s based on eyewitness accounts, and they’re reporting from a broad cross-section of human rights figures inside Syria.

*QUESTION:* So the next time Human Rights Watch comes out with a report that’s critical of Israel for its treatment of the Palestinians, I’ll assume that you’re going to be saying the same thing, correct; that you think that the report is credible, it’s based on eyewitness accounts?

*MS. NULAND:* As --

*QUESTION:* And you’re not going to say that it’s politically motivated and should be dismissed?

*MS. NULAND: *Matt, as you have made clear again and again in this room, we are not always consistent.

*QUESTION:* So, in other words, anything that Human Rights Watch says that is critical of someone you don’t like, that’s okay; but once they criticize someone that you do like, then it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on?

*MS. NULAND:* Matt, I’m not going to get into colloquy on this one.

here is the video. you can see the exchange at the 30 minute mark:

[carepov]

Thanks for presenting this interesting exchange and for getting me to re-visit the HRW website.

A question I have been asking myself for a while is: would it be a good idea if Amnesty Int. merged with HRW? It seems like such a natural fit and they would have more influence as one organization. What do you think?

[Moonlight Graham]

This was great, thanks for posting. Love seeing government liars get their asses verbally handed to them. Kudos to the reporter for catching her in her hypocrisy.

A question I have been asking myself for a while is: would it be a good idea if Amnesty Int. merged with HRW? It seems like such a natural fit and they would have more influence as one organization. What do you think?

A little diversity in viewpoints is probably a good thing.

[bud]

this wasn't the first time that matthew lee has taken victoria nuland to task.

[Guest Peeves]

Obsessive denigration of Israel noted.

[bud]

Obsessive denigration of Israel noted.

my obsession is seeing our governments support human rights and not support those who violate them.

[Guest Peeves]

my obsession is seeing our governments support human rights and not support those who violate them.

Of course it is. And mine is to comment on selective obsessive Israel denigration.

[bud]

Of course it is. And mine is to comment on selective obsessive Israel denigration.

i suggest you stop playing the victim just because you're jewish and instead, join me in calling on our governments to hold all government and groups accountable for their violations of human rights.

[Signals.Cpl]

i suggest you stop playing the victim just because you're jewish and instead, join me in calling on our governments to hold all government and groups accountable for their violations of human rights.

Including the Palestinians who commit terrorist attack or holding just Israel accountable?

[bud]

Including the Palestinians who commit terrorist attack or holding just Israel accountable?

of course, including palestinians. "anyone" who violates human rights.

[Signals.Cpl]

of course, including palestinians. "anyone" who violates human rights.

For some reason I doubt that... I don't know why...

[Guest Peeves]

i suggest you stop playing the victim just because you're jewish and instead, join me in calling on our governments to hold all government and groups accountable for their violations of human rights.

How do you conclude that I'm Jewish. If you can arbitrarily make that leap, I might similarly conclude that you are a Jew (note cap) baiter/hater/anti Israeli, pro Hamas Arab supporter and advocate. Now that wouldn't be fair based on the dearh of evidence.

I might be a born again Christian that is simply pro Israel since our beliefs encompass the existence and support for the historic land of Israel.

[bud]

How do you conclude that I'm Jewish. If you can arbitrarily make that leap, I might similarly conclude that you are a Jew (note cap) baiter/hater/anti Israeli, pro Hamas Arab supporter and advocate. Now that wouldn't be fair based on the dearh of evidence.

I might be a born again Christian that is simply pro Israel since our beliefs encompass the existence and support for the historic land of Israel.

okay then. either you're nationalistic jew, who tries to support and apologize for israel under any condition, even if it means stomping over someone's human rights, or you're a born again bible thumping christian who believes in myths and fairys and is longing for the end of the world where the jews die.

for me, i can tell you right now, i'm not a muslim and i'm not an arab. my connection with this issue is my longing for justice and human rights. something the palestinians are not experiencing, mainly due to the treatment they're receiving from israel and our governments' silence towards israel's actions, which is well displayed in the original post.

Edited July 13, 2012 by bud

[Rue]

Obsessive denigration of Israel noted.

Now see Buddy Boy's idea of dealing with Syria is to not deal with it and change the subject to pissing on Israel. Imagine that.

[Rue]

my obsession is seeing our governments support human rights and not support those who violate them.

Your motus operandi on this forum ad nauseum is to spend your entire dialogue pissing on Israel. Even on a topic like Syria your only contribution is to try switch the subject rather than deal with what is going on in Syria.

Buddy Boy your act wore out months ago. You are nothing but an anti Israeli troll on this forum in my opinion.

You compound matters by showing your true bigotry and assuming because someone speaks up about your non stop Israel pissing they must be a Jew. That summarizes in a nut shell why you have zero credibility. Zero. You have shown what a bigot you are.

Run along and assume someone else is a Jew because they disagree with your opinions.

Pathetic.

[Guest American Woman]

Run along and assume someone else is a Jew because they disagree with your opinions.

This is his MO, alright; I've been told I'm a Jew and/or a Zionist because I don't agree with his opinions - and the thing is, I always have the feeling that I'm supposed to take it as an insult.

[Rue]

This is his MO, alright; I've been told I'm a Jew and/or a Zionist because I don't agree with his opinions - and the thing is, I always have the feeling that I'm supposed to take it as an insult.

Lol at least you are not a big Jew meany like moi. You know I luvs yer posts. You and Bambino are my faves. But that is a kiss of death.

[Guest American Woman]

Lol at least you are not a big Jew meany like moi. You know I luvs yer posts. You and Bambino are my faves. But that is a kiss of death.

Why, thank you. I enjoy reading what you have to say, too - I pretty much understand where you are coming from. But no, I'm not a big Jew Meany like tu - I believe the final word is that I'm simply a Zionist (that's straight from the horse's mouth).

[bud]

Lol at least you are not a big Jew meany like moi.

a person would have to feel threatened by you, in order for you to be considered a meanie, therefore, a 'big meanie' you are not. you give yourself way too much credit. you're definitely the champion of rants and erratic behaviour. especially since oleg bach stopped gracing us with his presence.

peeves' comments about jews and israelis are my reason for thinking he is a zionist jew or possibly a bible thumping christian. maybe he's not jewish. that's fine. there is nothing wrong with being or not being jewish, or christian or muslim. but there is something wrong with someone who is willing to stomp on another group of people's rights in favour of another. these people usually use their religion or ethnic background as a reason to group themselves and to rationalize their racist, unethical and immoral behaviour.

pulling out the racism card in order to shut down criticism of israel does not work as well as it used to. sorry little buddy. people are no longer afraid of speaking out against israel's despicable treatment of palestinians.

[bush_cheney2004]

....pulling out the racism card in order to shut down criticism of israel does not work as well as it used to. sorry little buddy. people are no longer afraid of speaking out against israel's despicable treatment of palestinians.

I agree...many people think Israel should be even more "despicable" when facing ongoing Palestinian murders and attacks.

Edited July 13, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[kraychik]

I agree...many people think Israel should be even more "despicable" when facing ongoing Palestinian murders and attacks.

Israel is too subservient to its American masters, it seems.

[kraychik]

Israel is obviously not "despicable" enough, considering the terrorism and intransigence continues.

[bud]

I agree...many people think Israel should be even more "despicable" when facing ongoing Palestinian murders and attacks.

let us count the number of civilians killed on each side and then assess your propaganda.

i'm surprised i haven't seen the line, "push the jews into the sea" in this thread. that's always a favourite of the israeli apologists.

when numerous human rights organizations conclude that israel violates human rights time and time again (including human rights watch, amnesty international and israel's own btselem), then it makes it difficult to take you guys seriously.

hey check this out, palestinian home demolition by israel on palestinian land, making way for jewish only homes:

Edited July 14, 2012 by bud

[bud]

here, more home demolition of palestinian terrorists:

[Signals.Cpl]

a person would have to feel threatened by you, in order for you to be considered a meanie, therefore, a 'big meanie' you are not. you give yourself way too much credit. you're definitely the champion of rants and erratic behaviour. especially since oleg bach stopped gracing us with his presence.

peeves' comments about jews and israelis are my reason for thinking he is a zionist jew or possibly a bible thumping christian. maybe he's not jewish. that's fine. there is nothing wrong with being or not being jewish, or christian or muslim. but there is something wrong with someone who is willing to stomp on another group of people's rights in favour of another. these people usually use their religion or ethnic background as a reason to group themselves and to rationalize their racist, unethical and immoral behaviour.

pulling out the racism card in order to shut down criticism of israel does not work as well as it used to. sorry little buddy. people are no longer afraid of speaking out against israel's despicable treatment of palestinians.

So does your constant assault on Israel and your oh so very obvious attempt to turn everything in to the good old "Israel is evil" theme make you an arab?

And neither are we afraid to talk about the Cowardly Palestinian attacks on Israel, you know the once you try to ignore or downplay...