Canada should lead a U.N. reform.

[Guest Peeves]

Given the most recent condemnation of Canada by (UN high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay), I think it's time to follow Conrad Black's suggestion re our leading a charge for reform.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/30/conrad-black-the-end-of-canadas-love-affair-with-the-un/

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the UN high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay (a Tamil South African from Durban and notorious anti-Western racist), still saw fit to criticize the absence of human rights in Quebec last week, lumping Canada in with Syria, Mali, Eritrea and North Korea. (The first three of those countries have been wracked by civil wars, replete with tortured political prisoners and executions; and the fourth is the most severe totalitarian state in the world.) Pillay was the chief author of the Durban declaration against racism in 2001, itself a militantly racist document, and she has disputed the legality of killing Osama bin Laden and ostentatiously supported Iran’s lunatic president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. In her recent comments, she praised the Arab Charter on Human Rights, which makes all rights subject to the law of Shariah. She did not recognize that the Quebec law on the right to assemble and demonstrate has not led to general violence, is not violently imposed and is subject to review by an independent judiciary and to revocation of the government by voters in free elections.

So indeed! Why not NOW

Canada is well placed to organize the support for such measures by the countries that pay most of the UN’s bills. This would be a much more appropriate stance for Canada, now that it has been so unjustly pilloried by the anthill of bigotry of a Human Rights Council, than continued reverence for this citadel of hypocrisy. The United Nations is both a mad cow and a sacred cow; it is in desperate need of radical reform.

I plan on writing our P.M.

[Guest Peeves]

I plan on writing our P.M.

So I did.

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Given the most recent condemnation of Canada by (UN high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay), I think it's time to follow Conrad Black's suggestion,( Link provided) re our leading a charge for reform.

There is no better time than now. I also think our government would be considered to be doing the right thing not only by Canadians, but by many in the West. I certainly know first hand that Canadians would favorably respond to any action in this direction.

http://fullcomment.n...ir-with-the-un/

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the UN high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay (a Tamil South African from Durban and notorious anti-Western racist), still saw fit to criticize the absence of human rights in Quebec last week, lumping Canada in with Syria, Mali, Eritrea and North Korea. (The first three of those countries have been wracked by civil wars, replete with tortured political prisoners and executions; and the fourth is the most severe totalitarian state in the world.) Pillay was the chief author of the Durban declaration against racism in 2001, itself a militantly racist document, and she has disputed the legality of killing Osama bin Laden and ostentatiously supported Iran’s lunatic president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. In her recent comments, she praised the Arab Charter on Human Rights, which makes all rights subject to the law of Shariah. She did not recognize that the Quebec law on the right to assemble and demonstrate has not led to general violence, is not violently imposed and is subject to review by an independent judiciary and to revocation of the government by voters in free elections.

So indeed! Why not NOW

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Canada is well placed to organize the support for such measures by the countries that pay most of the UN’s bills. This would be a much more appropriate stance for Canada, now that it has been so unjustly pilloried by the anthill of bigotry of a Human Rights Council, than continued reverence for this citadel of hypocrisy. The United Nations is both a mad cow and a sacred cow; it is in desperate need of radical reform.

[Signals.Cpl]

My question is how far would you want to go with this, just on this issue or a general reform of the UN in order to make it relevant? What is the depth of the reform?

Edited June 30, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

[Guest Peeves]

My question is how far would you want to go with this, just on this issue or a general reform of the UN in order to make it relevant? What is the depth of the reform?

That is certainly a broad question. I might refer you to the article by C.Black for some insight as to what and how. Personally I would defer to the learned mavin's on the subject and simply ask where should we be paying to have the inmates run the madhouse besides in 'Wonderland'?

Surely those countries that fund the UN should not be accepting of the UN as it is and has been for a generation. Even the most befuddled of us can see the demise of reality.

Read Black and get back to me perhaps. http://fullcomment.n...ir-with-the-un/

Edited June 30, 2012 by Peeves

[socialist]

I would like to see Canada under total UN control. the UN promotes equality for all. that is what we need in canada.

[Signals.Cpl]

I would like to see Canada under total UN control. the UN promotes equality for all. that is what we need in canada.

Yeah, the UN sure promotes equality for all, just ask Syria.

[Shady]

I would like to see Canada under total UN control. the UN promotes equality for all. that is what we need in canada.

You have to try harder if you're going to make your trolling sound more believable. You're getting lazy.

[Army Guy]

how do you make something relevent that very few nations pay attention to in the first place

[Army Guy]

I would like to see Canada under total UN control. the UN promotes equality for all. that is what we need in canada.

Maybe you should get a passport and start traveling around the globe, before whining about Canada's equality problems...can't afford the traveling join the Army they'll send you first class, to all the worlds sweat spots free of charge.....maybe you'll see equality up close and personal....

[Signals.Cpl]

how do you make something relevent that very few nations pay attention to in the first place

For starters you remove the Veto power from permanent members, then expand the Security Council to reflect the current economic/military powers and expand the permanent members of the UNSC. Scrap every UN department and start rebuilding from the ground up making sure that different departments have improved lines of communication in order to solve problems and use resources in the most efficient way possible.

Unfortunately this will not happen as most nations are interested in a weak and useless UN that they can point to and blame for not acting.

[Guest Peeves]

For starters you remove the Veto power from permanent members, then expand the Security Council to reflect the current economic/military powers and expand the permanent members of the UNSC. Scrap every UN department and start rebuilding from the ground up making sure that different departments have improved lines of communication in order to solve problems and use resources in the most efficient way possible.

Unfortunately this will not happen as most nations are interested in a weak and useless UN that they can point to and blame for not acting.

Good points.

Yeh, Canada did more than China or France. Why the &^*&% were they permanent members?

[Guest Peeves]

I would like to see Canada under total UN control. the UN promotes equality for all. that is what we need in canada.

I thought communists started that doctrine? Didn't work. But then, neither does the UN.

[Guest Derek L]

Good points.

Yeh, Canada did more than China or France. Why the &^*&% were they permanent members?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRK6dWHllM

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[wyly]

Given the most recent condemnation of Canada by (UN high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay), I think it's time to follow Conrad Black's suggestion re our leading a charge for reform.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/30/conrad-black-the-end-of-canadas-love-affair-with-the-un/

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So indeed! Why not NOW

I plan on writing our P.M.

conrad black?...since when did foreign criminals become a moral guiding light for canadians....

[Shady]

since when did foreign criminals become a moral guiding light for canadians....

Omar Khadr, with a few Canadians.

[socialist]

Maybe you should get a passport and start traveling around the globe, before whining about Canada's equality problems...can't afford the traveling join the Army they'll send you first class, to all the worlds sweat spots free of charge.....maybe you'll see equality up close and personal....

the UN already condemned canadafor not making healthy food available for all canadians. healthy food should be obtainable by all people. not just the rich. unfortunately too many people in canada dont understand true social justice.

[Army Guy]

the UN already condemned canadafor not making healthy food available for all canadians. healthy food should be obtainable by all people. not just the rich. unfortunately too many people in canada dont understand true social justice.

So Canada takes a hit because it cheaper to buy a big mac than it is a bag of apples, last time i checked it was a personal choice not governed by the government. which is true social justice last time i checked.

Like i said before you should get out more and travel the globe, see social justice as it real is, i once seen solmolians strip a dead animal carcass that had been rotten for days just for some scraps of protein while the warlords and their lackies threw out enough food to feed a small village everyday. Under the UN we would be forced to watch the tech's hyjack most of the food shipments everyday, we sat and watched and reported but then again i doubt you've been forced to watch as the weak died fighting over some split grain........countries like these social justice is ruled by who every has the most guns....And we in the west don't give a shit we don't have the will to make it right....there is no welfare system there, nor food banks, just NGO's who don't have enough food to go around....because the guys with the guns ensure they take their share first....when was the last time a canadian did not eat for weeks on end....but this is not about eating it's about having a choice between a big mac and a bag of apples is it not... stop your whinning.

[Signals.Cpl]

the UN already condemned canadafor not making healthy food available for all canadians. healthy food should be obtainable by all people. not just the rich. unfortunately too many people in canada dont understand true social justice.

Starting with you

[Signals.Cpl]

So Canada takes a hit because it cheaper to buy a big mac than it is a bag of apples, last time i checked it was a personal choice not governed by the government. which is true social justice last time i checked.

Like i said before you should get out more and travel the globe, see social justice as it real is, i once seen solmolians strip a dead animal carcass that had been rotten for days just for some scraps of protein while the warlords and their lackies threw out enough food to feed a small village everyday. Under the UN we would be forced to watch the tech's hyjack most of the food shipments everyday, we sat and watched and reported but then again i doubt you've been forced to watch as the weak died fighting over some split grain........countries like these social justice is ruled by who every has the most guns....And we in the west don't give a shit we don't have the will to make it right....there is no welfare system there, nor food banks, just NGO's who don't have enough food to go around....because the guys with the guns ensure they take their share first....when was the last time a canadian did not eat for weeks on end....but this is not about eating it's about having a choice between a big mac and a bag of apples is it not... stop your whinning.

Yeah well its about feeling good rather then doing good. Few people actually care or know that the food does not end up which the people in need, most people in the West just care about feeling good as is evident with this peacekeeping sham, no one cares that it is ineffective and downright useless they just care that we are peacekeepers...

[Melanie_]

the UN already condemned canadafor not making healthy food available for all canadians. healthy food should be obtainable by all people. not just the rich. unfortunately too many people in canada dont understand true social justice.

Do you have a link for this? I googled it, and found a few other things the UN has condemned Canada for (i.e., risk of torture), but nothing about food availability. I also found groups that used the UN Conventions to support their position that Canada wasn't doing all that it could, but nothing directly from the UN.

[Guest Peeves]

conrad black?...since when did foreign criminals become a moral guiding light for canadians....

Apparently you can't comprehend an intellectuals opinion and would prefer to call names and shit on a thread.Good on ya.

[wyly]

Apparently you can't comprehend an intellectuals opinion and would prefer to call names and shit on a thread.Good on ya.

, name calling? which one of the following was name calling...black is a "criminal" he is...black is a "foreigner", he is...that you worship a morally corrupt foreign criminal speaks volumes as to your values, that you want canadians to follow your lead licking black's butt is ludicrous and delusional canadians have higher standards than that...

[GostHacked]

We should not reform the UN, we should get the hell out of the UN.

[waldo]

Do you have a link for this? I googled it...but (found) nothing about food availability.

visiting at the request of the Harper Conservative government, Olivier De Schutter, UN Special Rapporteur on the right to food... conveyed a preliminary review in regards to his May 6-16 visit to Canada:

as conveyed in the report, a somewhat exhaustive trip meeting with multitudes of official organizations/representatives, highlighting that, yes, many Canadians are suffering from poverty, inequality and an inability to afford daily food needs.

Olivier De Schutter, the UN right-to-food envoy

: "What I’ve seen in Canada is a system that presents barriers for the poor to access nutritious diets and that tolerates increased inequalities between rich and poor, and aboriginal non-aboriginal peoples."

"Canada has long been seen as a land of plenty. Yet today one in 10 families with a child under 6 is unable to meet their daily food needs. These rates of food insecurity are unacceptable, and it is time for Canada to adopt a national right-to-food strategy."

"This is a country that is rich but that fails to adapt the levels of social assistance benefits and its minimum wage to the rising costs of basic necessities, including food and housing."

"A long history of political and economic marginalization has left many indigenous peoples with considerably lower levels of access to adequate food relative to the general population."

"More than one in four Canadian adults are obese, a rate that costs at least $5 billion a year in health care costs and lost productivity."

it seems the usual UN bashing subjects have shown up in this thread... perhaps they might actually choose to challenge the review of Olivier De Schutter, the UN right-to-food envoy - perhaps the 'foreign criminal', Conrad Black, has irrelevant input.

[Army Guy]

What I’ve seen in Canada is a system that presents barriers for the poor to access nutritious diets and that tolerates increased inequalities between rich and poor, and aboriginal non-aboriginal peoples."

When we say access i'm assuming we are talking about not being able to afford nutrious food....which raises a few other questions.

Is it a choice they make ....ie how many times have we seen people decide to spend that on something else other than drinking , gambling, on fast food or garbage food, luxery items what ever....so my question would be if we took these bad decisions out how many Canadians would still not be able to afford nutruious food. And i get it sometimes you just feel the need for something, and go out and buy it, atleast i do, but me and my family are lucky, and we have never been without the basic items ever, but if my family ever went hungry i'd be having a yard sale.

I've yet to see a Canadian family on some NGO advertizment that looks like a third world one.

Do we enable them i mean within Canada there are dozens of programs for kids to get good food, at school, local food bank, at work, town city and provincial government has programs....what incentives do we provide, to get off this assistaence, or for that matter, to make better chioces...

As for the UN rubbing our faces in it. Like most articles i've read on the topic , i agree i'm sure there are bigger fish to fry, than Canada....but there is some truth into what this guys says, some truth not all, always room for improvement.

Perhaps we can take that inter national Aid monies and improve our programs here at home....but i'm sure we don't want more big government coming in and telling us hey...sir, put the beer back, you got a family to feed, or sister place the big mac down there is better food out there for you....so where do you draw the line...