We can't afford Mulcair's NDP

punked · June 30, 2012

Which specific policies are you referring to?

Shady is just trying to mask the fact that Spain would have been ok if it were not for deregulated banks that he himself and Conservatives around the world cheered for. You wouldn't know listening to Shady that Spain's problems stem from private debt not public debt. He wants to write the history to be what he wants to be and not what it truly is. If we deregulated like the Cons wanted to do we ourselves might look like Spain. Nothing Mulcair has ever said would be following the path that Spain went down but Shady doesn't actually have specifics because he can't tell you what created problems in the first place.

bleeding heart · June 30, 2012

Which specific policies are you referring to?

Good question. Let's assume that "identical" is a word with a real meaning, and wait for the specifics.......

cybercoma · June 30, 2012

Shady is just trying to mask the fact that Spain would have been ok if it were not for deregulated banks that he himself and Conservatives around the world cheered for. You wouldn't know listening to Shady that Spain's problems stem from private debt not public debt. He wants to write the history to be what he wants to be and not what it truly is. If we deregulated like the Cons wanted to do we ourselves might look like Spain. Nothing Mulcair has ever said would be following the path that Spain went down but Shady doesn't actually have specifics because he can't tell you what created problems in the first place.

Joseph Stiglitz, who I'm sure knows a hell of a lot more about economics than Shady, has been saying that the crisis right now is a direct result of neoconservative (or european liberal) policies since the 80s. Moreover, he argues that the resulting concentration of wealth up the ladder, regardless of all ships rising, is ultimately bad for everyone. Something needs to change, but it isn't bad enough yet. It is only bottom-up economics that benefits everyone.

punked · June 30, 2012

Joseph Stiglitz, who I'm sure knows a hell of a lot more about economics than Shady, has been saying that the crisis right now is a direct result of neoconservative (or european liberal) policies since the 80s. Moreover, he argues that the resulting concentration of wealth up the ladder, regardless of all ships rising, is ultimately bad for everyone. Something needs to change, but it isn't bad enough yet. It is only bottom-up economics that benefits everyone.

We had this argument in 1930 when our side won it was better for everyone even Shady's side so time to tip the scales to the left. If not for anything else, just to save Shady from himself.

cybercoma · June 30, 2012

How do you even reason with people that believe the earth is only 6000 years old?

punked · June 30, 2012

How do you even reason with people that believe the earth is only 6000 years old?

They dig their own graves just give them time. The world we live in was not made by those who wanted to watch it burn but by those who wanted everyone lives to be just a little better.

bush_cheney2004 · June 30, 2012

They dig their own graves just give them time. The world we live in was not made by those who wanted to watch it burn but by those who wanted everyone lives to be just a little better.

Not everyone....here is the NDP membership wish list:


I'm a member of a union
I'm un(der)employed
My age is 26 years or less

Please indicate if you identify as part of one of the following equity seeking groups and would like to receive mail on relevant issues.
First Nations, Métis, Inuit
Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered
Person living with a disability
Visible minority
Woman

punked · June 30, 2012

Not everyone....here is the NDP membership wish list:


I'm a member of a union
I'm un(der)employed
My age is 26 years or less

Please indicate if you identify as part of one of the following equity seeking groups and would like to receive mail on relevant issues.
First Nations, Métis, Inuit
Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered
Person living with a disability
Visible minority
Woman

I always check none of those boxes because I am none of those things. Guess what? I am in the majority in the NDP.

bush_cheney2004 · June 30, 2012

I always check none of those boxes because I am none of those things. Guess what? I am in the majority in the NDP.

That's OK, because the world we live in was most definitely not made by those who wanted everyone's lives to be a little better.

WWWTT · June 30, 2012

No. they don't. That you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. Conservatives (or the ones to which we seem to be referring) wish for "small" government in terms of taxation, regulations, and so on; and large government in other ways.

Sounds like smoke and mirrors and talking out of both sides of your mouth to me.

WWWTT

WWWTT · June 30, 2012

Mulcair would turn us into one of the European diasters, like Spain and Portugal. His policies are identical to theirs.

Here we go again with the fear mongering.

WWWTT

Shady · July 2, 2012

Which specific policies are you referring to?

Massive new taxes, along with massive new government spending. Especially on so-called green energy programs. The same type of programs Spain is now doing away with because they were such a colossal failure. Mulcair has also suggested completely shutting down the Alberta oil sands operation. He would be a complete economic disaster for this country.

Shady is just trying to mask the fact that Spain would have been ok if it were not for deregulated banks that he himself and Conservatives around the world cheered for.

More nonsense from punked. Spain's banks aern't deregulated. The banking industry is one of the most highly regulated industries in existence. Spain hasn't had a deregulated banking industry for decades and decades. The reason for Spain's trouble is their massive debt to GDP ratio, which is a result of their fiscal carelessness over the past several years.

Rick · July 2, 2012

More nonsense

That's about right....

punked · July 2, 2012

Massive new taxes, along with massive new government spending. Especially on so-called green energy programs. The same type of programs Spain is now doing away with because they were such a colossal failure. Mulcair has also suggested completely shutting down the Alberta oil sands operation. He would be a complete economic disaster for this country.

More nonsense from punked. Spain's banks aern't deregulated. The banking industry is one of the most highly regulated industries in existence. Spain hasn't had a deregulated banking industry for decades and decades. The reason for Spain's trouble is their massive debt to GDP ratio, which is a result of their fiscal carelessness over the past several years.

Here you go Shady have fun reading about how you know nothing.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/european-crisis-realities/

Spain's problems their real problems have nothing to do with green energy, and they have very little to do with public debt. To only problem with public debt is that there is so much private debt given out by banks that were allowed to do anything they wanted that the public can't cover it. There problem is their banks can't stand a stress test so now the public has to go out and borrow another 160 Billion dollars to give to private banks so the country doesn't fall apart.

WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/03/23/spains-critical-issue-is-its-private-debt/

When times are good, private sector debt signals that consumers and businesses are taking risks, buying goods and services, and investing in ways that fuel economic growth. But when an economy is in a recession as tough as Spain’s, a large unpaid balance of such debt hangs like a Damocles Sword over the country’s financial sector.

In the Spanish case, private non-financial debt dwarfs public sector debt by nearly four times, representing over 220% of GDP. And unlike Italy, Spain’s debt cannot be financed with a high level of domestic savings. It must be borrowed abroad...

Want more links because I got them. From you however I have got nothing to support your lies because you know nothing. Please tell how a heavily regulated banking sector was able to created debt that is 220% of GDP? I await for no response because you have been called out.

Edited July 2, 2012 by punked

Shady · July 2, 2012

Public and private debt fostered by government policy. Similar type policy that had American banks forced to lend to people that wouldn't otherwise qualify.

Mulcair will massively increase taxes.

Mulcair will massively increase spending.

Mulcair will shut down the Alberta oil sands project.

Does anyone think that's good for Canada? Of course not.

punked · July 2, 2012

Public and private debt fostered by government policy. Similar type policy that had American banks forced to lend to people that wouldn't otherwise qualify.

Mulcair will massively increase taxes.

Mulcair will massively increase spending.

Mulcair will shut down the Alberta oil sands project.

Does anyone think that's good for Canada? Of course not.

No one forced anyone to take out of give a loan Shady. But here we go. PROVE IT. SHOW ME WHICH LAW WAS PASSED THAT FORCED BANKS TO LEND.

Nope everyone knows that Spain deregulated the banks so small banks much like in Iceland and Ireland started to leaned out risky loans because then those loans could be counted as profits. This made their banks grow at a huge rate but when they started calling in the loans no one could pay. These were policies that your side pushed for. This was Greenspan's big idea deregulate and let the banks lend however much they wanted and to whoever they wanted. Guess what it didn't work.

So here we go again. Post a link to the policy in Spain you talk about because I promise you it doesn't exist. This is more you making your own reality. This is why your opinions don't matter they aren't supported by reality.

BTW I should point out now from the WSJ Spains Public debt is only 66% of GDP which is the same if not less then Canadas. I thought this might point out more how Shady actually doesn't know anything.

Edited July 2, 2012 by punked

Shady · July 2, 2012

No one forced anyone to take out of give a loan Shady. But here we go. PROVE IT. SHOW ME WHICH LAW WAS PASSED THAT FORCED BANKS TO LEND.

Nope everyone knows that Spain deregulated the banks so small banks much like in Iceland and Ireland started to leaned out risky loans because then those loans could be counted as profits. This made their banks grow at a huge rate but when they started calling in the loans no one could pay. These were policies that your side pushed for. This was Greenspan's big idea deregulate and let the banks lend however much they wanted and to whoever they wanted. Guess what it didn't work.

So here we go again. Post a link to the policy in Spain you talk about because I promise you it doesn't exist. This is more you making your own reality. This is why your opinions don't matter they aren't supported by reality.

BTW I should point out now from the WSJ Spains Public debt is only 66% of GDP which is the same if not less then Canadas. I thought this might point out more how Shady actually doesn't know anything.

I'm not suprised you'd rather try to defend Spain, than try to defend Mulcair's policies of massive new taxes, massive new spending, and shutting down the oil sands project. :rolleyes:

punked · July 2, 2012

I'm not suprised you'd rather try to defend Spain, than try to defend Mulcair's policies of massive new taxes, massive new spending, and shutting down the oil sands project.

STOP IT. Prove to me Spain has problems that were caused by public sectore debt or policies that aren't ones you have supported. Deregulated banking that is. PROVE IT.

Stop with the Hey look over here and support your lies. Here is why your opinions on anything don't matter. They are informed by nothing so I don't have to defend anything against you because as I have shown you don't understand.

Edited July 2, 2012 by punked

WWWTT · July 2, 2012

Public and private debt fostered by government policy. Similar type policy that had American banks forced to lend to people that wouldn't otherwise qualify.

Mulcair will massively increase taxes.

Mulcair will massively increase spending.

Mulcair will shut down the Alberta oil sands project.

Does anyone think that's good for Canada? Of course not.

Actually what is not good for Canada is people who make things up!

I can't see how fabrications will help?

WWWTT

WWWTT · July 2, 2012

I'm not suprised you'd rather try to defend Spain, than try to defend Mulcair's policies of massive new taxes, massive new spending, and shutting down the oil sands project.

You're going to need a lot more than "rolleyes" to crawl out of this one.

I got an idea,go work on your abbs.

WWWTT

Shady · July 2, 2012

STOP IT. Prove to me Spain has problems that were caused by public sectore debt or policies that aren't ones you have supported. Deregulated banking that is. PROVE IT.

I didn't say that Spain's problems were soley caused by it's public debt. It's a combination of things. Regardless, you can apply any of the PIG countries to Mulcair's ideas. They're right out of the Euro playbook. In fact, Greece is probably a more apt example, considering the way Mulcair wants to increase the size and scope of the federal government.

Actually what is not good for Canada is people who make things up!

I can't see how fabrications will help?

WWWTT

I'm not fabricating anything. Those are his policies. He wants to massively raise taxes. He wants to massively increase the federal budget as well, and of course slow the production of oil from the oil sands, as well as shut down some of the operations completely.

Mulcair's oilsands crackdown would put some operations out of business
AP

Just what we need in the middle of a possible slowing global economy. :rolleyes:

Look, I'm sorry, but we can't afford Mulcair's NDP. We just can't at this time.

WWWTT · July 3, 2012

Look, I'm sorry, but we can't afford Mulcair's NDP. We just can't at this time.

I can see corporations dependent and gambling on knocking wages and services not being able to afford Mulcairs NDP.

But what gets me is that you are NOT a CEO,chairman,vice president,owner of a multi million dollar corporation.

So whats in it for you Shady???

Why are you against the people that want to help you improve your life style man?

I guess you like getting reemed by big corporations.

WWWTT

Shady · July 3, 2012

I can see corporations dependent and gambling on knocking wages and services not being able to afford Mulcairs NDP.

No, we as Canadians can't afford Mulcair's NDP. We can't afford massive new tax increases. We can't afford massive new spending. We can't afford shutting down the oil sands. All that's going to do is blow a hole through the budget deficit, and our national debt. Putting us on the same path towards the PIG countries of Europe. I couldn't give a rats ass about some corporation.

Why are you against the people that want to help you improve your life style man?

Ah yes, the usual tripe about people (ie the federal government) so-called improving my life style, by massive new taxes and massive new spending, and the expansion of the power of the federal government. After all, their intentions are good, right? What could go wrong?

I guess you like getting reemed by big corporations.

Oh I know, everythings always about the evil big corporations. Well guess what? Corporations provide jobs. They provide tax revenue to governments. They also provide necessary goods and services. And guess what else? I can choose not to do business with them. I can choose not to purchase a single good or service from whatever company I choose.

TwoDucks · July 3, 2012

Increasing taxes would help pay for a national registry of stolen cell phones, called for by NDP MP Mike Sullivan.

http://www.therecord.com/news/canada/article/751664--mp-says-national-registry-of-stolen-cellphones-is-needed-to-deter-thefts

Off the top, a couple of problems with this "idea" come to mind. Any kid who lost his cell phone and said someone stole it...zap...it would be added to the national stolen cell phone registry. And, service providers would have to double fees to cover their costs of conforming to the national stolen cell phone registry law. And then a slew of bureaucrats would be hired to, er, manage the registry.

This is the kind of gem we'd be facing with a federal NDP government.

As someone who works in the cellphone industry, the cost to block a phone based on its serial number is going to be pretty small. It's already done by some providers in limited circumstances. There certainly would be other issues to consider with such a proposal, but I doubt you'd be interested in them so much as wanting to score a point for your ideological viewpoint.

wyly · July 3, 2012

As someone who works in the cellphone industry, the cost to block a phone based on its serial number is going to be pretty small. It's already done by some providers in limited circumstances. There certainly would be other issues to consider with such a proposal, but I doubt you'd be interested in them so much as wanting to score a point for your ideological viewpoint.

I don't understand why a block number feature/option can't be programed into every phone?...someone calls, you get annoyed, press block this number and they're gone, how hard can it be to do that?...

right now I use my call display, if it's a number I do not recognize or if it's from out of province I don't answer, imperfect but it works...