Wilber Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Today is the 200th Anniversary of the beginning of the War of 1812. Probably as defining a moment in the history Canada as the beginning of the Revolution in the US. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
guyser Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Today is the 200th Anniversary of the beginning of the War of 1812. Probably as defining a moment in the history Canada as the beginning of the Revolution in the US. Hope you watched the History Channel special on it last night. Two hours of good TV Lots I did not know . Quote
Wilber Posted June 18, 2012 Author Report Posted June 18, 2012 Hope you watched the History Channel special on it last night. Two hours of good TV Lots I did not know . Missed it I'm afraid. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guest American Woman Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Hope you watched the History Channel special on it last night. Two hours of good TV Lots I did not know . I missed it too, but I'm going to catch it Tues. night on Public Television. Thanks for the heads up. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Where I live,there are huge reminders of The War of 1812,mainly because it fought all over the Niagara Region... The Battle of Stoney Creek The Battle of the Forty Mile Creek The Battle of Lundy's Lane The Battle of Queenston Heights Fort George Fort Niagara (across the river) Sunken American boats just off Port Dalhousie (The Scourge and...???) Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
jbg Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Hope you watched the History Channel special on it last night. Two hours of good TV Lots I did not know . Is their a repeat? And is it more balanced than the one-sided **** we're sometimes fed this side of the border? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Is their a repeat? And is it more balanced than the one-sided **** we're sometimes fed this side of the border? I think the **** they're sometimes fed on the other side of the border is just as one-sided; a different side, but one-sided none the less. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 I think the **** they're sometimes fed on the other side of the border is just as one-sided; a different side, but one-sided none the less. The only side that hasn't been so co-opted would be the side of the real losers of that war....Native Americans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 The only side that hasn't been so co-opted would be the side of the real losers of that war....Native Americans. I agree; but sadly, their loss was actually a win of sorts for the U.S. government re: American expansion in the west. Quote
jbg Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 The only side that hasn't been so co-opted would be the side of the real losers of that war....Native Americans. Sucks when they picked the wrong horse to ride on. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bleeding heart Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Is their a repeat? And is it more balanced than the one-sided **** we're sometimes fed this side of the border? Nope. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Sucks when they picked the wrong horse to ride on. But the Choctaw and Cherokee picked the other side...and still got hosed. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Is their a repeat? And is it more balanced than the one-sided **** we're sometimes fed this side of the border? I did not get to see all of it but what I did see I found to be somewhat fair. There was repeated mention of neither side winning outright, some battles won by each but overall not a outright victor. Admittedly I suck at history , but was surprised that the war provided the impetus to open up your west. That and how many Americans fought against , in some cases their own family, but certainly thier own country. I guess I was unaware of how many Yanks lived here at the time.....which was quite a bit Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Previous History Channel series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Hh8W69cos Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 Previous History Channel series: Very interesting , Thank you for that. I guess it aint too late to learn. Another surprise, not thought of and why would I of course, but America has only been attacked twice on home soil, 1812 and 9-11. MAde me go hmmm. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 Another surprise, not thought of and why would I of course, but America has only been attacked twice on home soil, 1812 and 9-11. MAde me go hmmm. Actually, that's not true. Oregon was attacked by the Japanese during WWII: Enraged at the invasion of their homeland, the Japanese devised a secret plan to ignite the forests of the American mainland with incendiary bombs. And even though few Americans know it today, the failed mission was actually carried out. Chief Warrant Office and pilot Nobuo Fujita would be called upon to lead the invasion. In fact, it could be said Fujita was the invasion. In Japan, on an otherwise routine day in 1942, Fujita was called into the office of Prince Takamatus, Emperor Hirohito's brother and an important military officer. The Prince informed Fujita of a plan to bomb the American mainland. Fujita was elated at the thought. He envisioned something on the magnitude of Pearl Harbor. "Los Angeles or San Francisco?" he asked, eager to learn of his target. "Oregon," answered his superior. Then Fujita was told the details of an operation the Japanese military believed could burn up a large part of the Northwest and destroy the morale of the American people. So began a mission which would propel Fujita in the history books -- a mission so secret that it was a total surprise to American military intelligence. It was so secret, in fact, that it was a half-day after the attack before anyone knew there was an attack at all! [...]It was peaceful in Brookings. Fishermen were slowly sailing out of port, and the citizens were sitting down for breakfast. The sound of a small plane flying overhead didn't alarm anyone. Little did the people of Brookings realize that they were in the midst of an air attack -- the first-ever manned aerial bombing of the American mainland. Rest of the Story Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) .....Another surprise, not thought of and why would I of course, but America has only been attacked twice on home soil, 1812 and 9-11. Ummm...no...as technically "US soil" has been attacked at other times, depending on what constitutes an "attack": Revolutionary War Civil War Mexican-American War Oregon, California, Washington State, Pearl Harbor, Aleutian Islands, U-boat landings/shellings - WW2 New Mexico (Pancho Villa) - 1916 Edited June 20, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted June 20, 2012 Author Report Posted June 20, 2012 Sucks when they picked the wrong horse to ride on. They picked the only horse they had to ride on. The US was after their territory, ultimately the Brits either couldn't prevent it or just let it happen. Probably a combination of the two. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted June 20, 2012 Author Report Posted June 20, 2012 Actually, that's not true. Oregon was attacked by the Japanese during WWII: Enraged at the invasion of their homeland, the Japanese devised a secret plan to ignite the forests of the American mainland with incendiary bombs. And even though few Americans know it today, the failed mission was actually carried out. Chief Warrant Office and pilot Nobuo Fujita would be called upon to lead the invasion. In fact, it could be said Fujita was the invasion. In Japan, on an otherwise routine day in 1942, Fujita was called into the office of Prince Takamatus, Emperor Hirohito's brother and an important military officer. The Prince informed Fujita of a plan to bomb the American mainland. Fujita was elated at the thought. He envisioned something on the magnitude of Pearl Harbor. "Los Angeles or San Francisco?" he asked, eager to learn of his target. "Oregon," answered his superior. Then Fujita was told the details of an operation the Japanese military believed could burn up a large part of the Northwest and destroy the morale of the American people. So began a mission which would propel Fujita in the history books -- a mission so secret that it was a total surprise to American military intelligence. It was so secret, in fact, that it was a half-day after the attack before anyone knew there was an attack at all! [...]It was peaceful in Brookings. Fishermen were slowly sailing out of port, and the citizens were sitting down for breakfast. The sound of a small plane flying overhead didn't alarm anyone. Little did the people of Brookings realize that they were in the midst of an air attack -- the first-ever manned aerial bombing of the American mainland. Rest of the Story Interesting. A Japanese sub also shelled the Cape Estevan lighthouse on Vancouver Island. Some of their incendiary balloons also wound up in BC. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 Admittedly I suck at history , but was surprised that the war provided the impetus to open up your west. The impetus came from the same forces that have given our two countries unparalleled prosperity; the existence of peaceful, predictable borders. That and how many Americans fought against , in some cases their own family, but certainly thier own country. I guess I was unaware of how many Yanks lived here at the time.....which was quite a bit While our two countries are quite different, in other respects we are siblings. We both come from a British root, have similar expectations of competent, honest government, and speak similar languages. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 One of my favorites from that era. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Erie Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 Actually, that's not true. Oregon was attacked by the Japanese during WWII: For you and BC , I guess one best not believe all they see on tv ? Maybe since it isnt true is why I was surprised....yeah thats it, I knew it all along...yea, stick with that So, was this the template for that great movie the Russians are Coming The Russians are Coming ? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 The only side that hasn't been so co-opted would be the side of the real losers of that war....Native Americans. Hmm.. The Natives that were loyal to the crown didn't fare as badly as those pushed around by Andrew Jackson, some of whom ended up back in Canada. We had thriving native communities in the area where I grew up. They were well rewarded for fighting against the turncoats. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
salyte Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 Don't forget that it was bad days for Britain because of Napoleon and his continental blockade. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Posted June 20, 2012 Hmm.. The Natives that were loyal to the crown didn't fare as badly as those pushed around by Andrew Jackson, some of whom ended up back in Canada. Oh sure...they made out just swell! Especially those Residential Schools. We had thriving native communities in the area where I grew up. They were well rewarded for fighting against the turncoats. I admire your pluck and attempt at using this opportunity to win yet another penis measuring contest, but alas, Native Americans have done far better on balance. More tribes, bands, languages, casinos, and safe drinking water! Oh, and more warriors in American armed forces via the Jay Treaty. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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