dre Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 So everyone is corrupt regardless if he is the patrol cop or the chief, wow it must be hell in your head. No, however citizens should be vigilant and suspicious of the government and by extension their security apparatus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 No, however citizens should be vigilant and suspicious of the government and by extension their security apparatus. But at the same time you should trust your security apparatus. For example do you trust the CF to uphold democracy? Meaning do you believe that its likely a General will overthrow the government and create a dictatorship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) But at the same time you should trust your security apparatus. For example do you trust the CF to uphold democracy? Meaning do you believe that its likely a General will overthrow the government and create a dictatorship? The military just lied to Canadians and the government about the fighter jet.. Edited June 15, 2012 by Anti-Am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The military just lied to Canadians and the government about the fighter jet.. Debatable, they used the formula that they have always used. The opposition just blew the discrepancy out of proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Debatable, they used the formula that they have always used. The opposition just blew the discrepancy out of proportions. Fine, you see it the way you want to, doesn't mean you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Fine, you see it the way you want to, doesn't mean you are right. Actually I am, they used the exact same method of calculation for the new ships for the navy yet no one bothered to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 VERY good point... And the Liberals did not take it into consideration for the Submarines purchased from Britain.. Actually I am, they used the exact same method of calculation for the new ships for the navy yet no one bothered to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Actually I am, they used the exact same method of calculation for the new ships for the navy yet no one bothered to complain. I'm not talking about the calculations. I am talking about them having 2 sets of figures and only sharing the lowest one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 What about the Military lying for Peter MacKay? Remember that? You can't spin that, its a matter of public record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 VERY good point... And the Liberals did not take it into consideration for the Submarines purchased from Britain.. The liberals didn't take a lot in to consideration with the Subs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) What about the Chretien government and military lying to us about not getting involved in the Iraq war and we ended up doing more for that war than 95 % of the coalition of the willing Edited June 15, 2012 by Anti-Am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm not talking about the calculations. I am talking about them having 2 sets of figures and only sharing the lowest one. They have internal budget and have external budget, they give the one that was requested. They have a budget for themselves that includes expenses that would normally not be included in the purchasing budget because those epexnses will be the same regardless of the product purchased. The salary of the pilots and aircrew will not change the budget that much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 What about the Chretien government and military lying to us about not getting involved in the Iraq war and we ended up doing more for that war than 95 % of the coalition of the willing We weren't involved in Iraq... I don't really know what your talking about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 They work for the government they do as their employer tells them, otherwise they find another job. Every competent employer follows the exact same policy. Do you know who their employer is? Canadians. That's who. It's the Government of Canada, regardless of the egomaniac that wants it named after himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 We were in Iraq??!?!?! This must have been a covert mission!!!!!!! Where is the Transparency!!?!?!?! How many did we lose in Iraq? What about the Chretien government and military lying to us about not getting involved in the Iraq war and we ended up doing more for that war than 95 % of the coalition of the willing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Do you know who their employer is? Canadians. That's who. It's the Government of Canada, regardless of the egomaniac that wants it named after himself. Yeah, so? Are they to take orders from 33million people? We have a government for a reason, to take care of the day to day running of the country. We elect that government for a reason to represent the wishes of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 We were in Iraq??!?!?! This must have been a covert mission!!!!!!! Where is the Transparency!!?!?!?! How many did we lose in Iraq? I think he might be mistaking us for the Americans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Yeah, so? Are they to take orders from 33million people? We have a government for a reason, to take care of the day to day running of the country. We elect that government for a reason to represent the wishes of the people. We don't elect the government. We elect representatives in the House. The government is appointed by the monarch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 We don't elect the government. We elect representatives in the House. The government is appointed by the monarch. MP's are the government, I don't care about the fancy definition, it comes down to us electing our representatives and they pass down decisions based on our wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 It's another aspect of fascism where the government must control the message, totally and absolutely in all areas of society. As an employee you are duty-bound to always support the message, even if you disagree. Anyone who is off-message will be punished, their livelihood taken away from them. It relates in a similar way to how this government wants to shut down the exchange of information amongst the scientific community. They must always stay on message, even if scientific evidence shows it to be false. Else they lose their funding. No one can convince me that this is good governance, or that this government is open and honest. The only good news is that this awareness is rising in public perception. The Harper government will most likely not be re-elected. All the liberal/ndp need to do is present something reasonable, and they'll have plenty of political ammunition to take this government down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 It's another aspect of fascism where the government must control the message, totally and absolutely in all areas of society. As an employee you are duty-bound to always support the message, even if you disagree. Anyone who is off-message will be punished, their livelihood taken away from them. It relates in a similar way to how this government wants to shut down the exchange of information amongst the scientific community. They must always stay on message, even if scientific evidence shows it to be false. Else they lose their funding. No one can convince me that this is good governance, or that this government is open and honest. The only good news is that this awareness is rising in public perception. The Harper government will most likely not be re-elected. All the liberal/ndp need to do is present something reasonable, and they'll have plenty of political ammunition to take this government down. Make sure you tell 'em that at your next job interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 And the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one.. Of carse, there is EI there to catch you.... Make sure you tell 'em that at your next job interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Make sure you tell 'em that at your next job interview. You laugh of course. But that's because you can't understand what I said. You see, most dogs run in packs, and soon learn the benefits of sniffing ass. I however would not work for an abusive or unethical employer. I would rather walk out on them and work for honest people, even if it means making less. If everyone took the attitude to stand up and fight for their rights, instead of licking ass for the money, this wouldn't be a problem any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunrutz Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 We don't elect the government. We elect representatives in the House. The government is appointed by the monarch. Why do you continually feel the need to make these nit picking and irrelevant remarks? They add nothing but frustration, is trolling ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Why do you continually feel the need to make these nit picking and irrelevant remarks? They add nothing but frustration, is trolling ok? No, they provide clarity. We don't elect governments in Canada, or indeed, in any parliamentary system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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