Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Seems like a slippery slope. I dont think an employer should be able to engage in slander or libel, but they should be able to make negative statements about their employer as long as they are true. And government is different than the private sector as well, because those civil servants are also tax payers. While they are on the job, they are an employee, plain and simple once they take of any uniform and go to the bar they can badmouth whoever they want as long as they don't go around identifying themselves as an employee of this department and then engage in negative comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) While they are on the job, they are an employee, plain and simple once they take of any uniform and go to the bar they can badmouth whoever they want as long as they don't go around identifying themselves as an employee of this department and then engage in negative comments. Why shouldn't they identify themselves as an employee as long as they make it clear they don't speak for their employer. There should be consequences for lying, making statements that can't be reasonably substantiated and leaking information that should be kept confidential but that's all. Government already has total control over what its MP's say and they now want to cement that control over the civil service as well. This is not healthy IMO. The comparison to private companies is not valid. Private companies have competitors and loose cannon employees can adversely effect their customer base and possibly the company's existence, none of which applies to government. The worst that can happen is an embarrassed government. Far from a bad thing in many cases. This is all about controlling the message. How far do you extend this muzzling of government employees? The rash of sexual harassment cases in the RCMP is a result of the kind of policy you advocate. Why should a member have to resign in order to go public and get some justice in spite of the very people who are supposed to lead them? In spite of the notoriety they are getting, the RCMP's handling of the Ron Day case is a disgrace and ultimately might prove to be another nail in the coffin of the RCMP in BC. Should returning Afghanistan vets be threatened with sanctions and possible loss of benefits if they speak out about the way they are treated? Where do you draw the line? My guess is that many of you who advocate this policy would be all over a union that tried to muzzle its members and rightly so, but that union executive was also democratically elected to represent those members. Edited June 15, 2012 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 So you think that if there is an investigation the government can silence it? Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Really? You think that if the TPS was investigating the PM or someone close to the PM for corruption they could be silenced? Or that the RCMP cannot be discrete about their investigations? I can tell you I know for a fact that it occurs. I know who was involved (there are maybe 3 or 4 higher + the very highest) and what the issue was. The evidence disappeared and the one who had the goods was scared right out of town. It is not the end of the story and when it comes out (if) people will be surprised, not to mention disgusted. It would make any prior political scandal pale in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Welcome to TD Canada Trust....don't you hate paying our stupid bank fees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I can tell you I know for a fact that it occurs. I know who was involved (there are maybe 3 or 4 higher + the very highest) and what the issue was. The evidence disappeared and the one who had the goods was scared right out of town. It is not the end of the story and when it comes out (if) people will be surprised, not to mention disgusted. It would make any prior political scandal pale in comparison. So what is the evidence you have for this fairy tale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Sure. I have more faith in professionalism of the law enforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I have more faith in professionalism of the law enforcement. You really shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 You really shouldn't. Any reasons as to why I shouldn't trust the police you would like to share with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ok, Sooo, You dont trust "Jews" and You dont trust law-enforcement? Care to add to your racist conspirist list? Aboriginals? Maybe the dutch? You really shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ok, Sooo, You dont trust "Jews" and You dont trust law-enforcement? Care to add to your racist conspirist list? Aboriginals? Maybe the dutch? Aboriginals get high and drunk all day and then complain about education and their hardships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Aboriginals get high and drunk all day and then complain about education and their hardships. So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Any reasons as to why I shouldn't trust the police you would like to share with us? http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3739f300-c08e-4e69-8554-7aa28219d1cf The Commons public accounts committee is holding an emergency in camera session today after shocking testimony yesterday on Parliament Hill about corruption, cronyism and coverups at the force's highest levels concerning the RCMP pension plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3739f300-c08e-4e69-8554-7aa28219d1cf The Commons public accounts committee is holding an emergency in camera session today after shocking testimony yesterday on Parliament Hill about corruption, cronyism and coverups at the force's highest levels concerning the RCMP pension plan. So do you mean all of those police officers are corrupt and/or corruptible or is it just a few? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Signals, you trust the government and the RCMP too much..there's something wrong with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 So do you mean all of those police officers are corrupt and/or corruptible or is it just a few? The more power a person has the more corruptible they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Signals, you trust the government and the RCMP too much..there's something wrong with you Like what? What is wrong with having trust in the government and the RCMP? And keep in mind there are police officers outside the RCMP as well... the actions of the RCMP do not reflect on TPS, OPP, or any other organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 The more power a person has the more corruptible they are. So how corruptible was Jack Layton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Like what? What is wrong with having trust in the government and the RCMP? And keep in mind there are police officers outside the RCMP as well... the actions of the RCMP do not reflect on TPS, OPP, or any other organization. OPP, TPS, and any other police organization are just as corrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 OPP, TPS, and any other police organization are just as corrupt. So everyone is corrupt regardless if he is the patrol cop or the chief, wow it must be hell in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 So how corruptible was Jack Layton? He did get caught at a massage parlour probably getting blowed and the police didn't charge him.. probably since he had a bit of influence at the time. So there's that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Am Posted June 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 So everyone is corrupt regardless if he is the patrol cop or the chief, wow it must be hell in your head. Reality sucks don't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Reality sucks don't it? I don't know, you tell me its your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 While they are on the job, they are an employee, plain and simple once they take of any uniform and go to the bar they can badmouth whoever they want as long as they don't go around identifying themselves as an employee of this department and then engage in negative comments. YEah I agree that while you are on the job, you need to do whatever your employer is paying you for, and follow any lawfull instructions they have given you. as long as they don't go around identifying themselves as an employee of this department and then engage in negative comments I dont see identifying yourself as an employee as a problem as long as you make it clear that you are not acting or speaking in any official capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 YEah I agree that while you are on the job, you need to do whatever your employer is paying you for, and follow any lawfull instructions they have given you. I dont see identifying yourself as an employee as a problem as long as you make it clear that you are not acting or speaking in any official capacity. Many people hear what they want to hear, when I'm in uniform or when people know I am serving in the military rarely do they grasp or care it my opinion, they take it as the department policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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