Shooting at the Eaton Centre

[Guest Manny]

I say hang him, and his shitty parents from the CN tower. They were involved in raising this murderer...

What would your neighbour say?

[Signals.Cpl]

This was easily avoidable without resorting to gun control debate after all.

At the time of the shooting, Husbands had been charged with another offence and was under house arrest, Borg said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/06/04/toronto-eaton-centre.html

[Fletch 27]

Hmmmmm., I dunno! Maybe "let's try that again" ? Parenting in Canada has gone the way of the dodo bird.

What would your neighbour say?

[Guest Derek L]

This was easily avoidable without resorting to gun control debate after all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/06/04/toronto-eaton-centre.html

But wait, Husbands was already under house arrest.......How did he get out of his home?

And how did he get an RPAL and an ATT that allowed him to take his firearm to the Eaton center?

[Guest Derek L]

It looks like the Shooter, Christopher Husbands was charged with Sexual assault.........

At the time of the shooting, Husbands was out on $4,000 bail and under house arrest for the outstanding sex assault charge.

But we need more gun control

[Signals.Cpl]

But wait, Husbands was already under house arrest.......How did he get out of his home?

And how did he get an RPAL and an ATT that allowed him to take his firearm to the Eaton center?

My point was more along the lines that he should have been in jail rather then sitting on the outside.

[Fletch 27]

Not enough jails it seems huh? Harper has got it right again. Provincial justice is flawed and we need jails for scum like him and his family..

But wait, Husbands was already under house arrest.......How did he get out of his home?

And how did he get an RPAL and an ATT that allowed him to take his firearm to the Eaton center?

[Guest Derek L]

My point was more along the lines that he should have been in jail rather then sitting on the outside.

I know......

I needed a [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tag

And even more details on the shooter:

Toronto police's McGuire said the fact that Husbands broke bail was “frustrating,” but he added that fault lies with the accused and his surety.

More: Eaton Centre shooting focuses attention on spike in gun violence

“We can't babysit every single one of these,” he said.

The exact conditions of Husbands' house arrest are not yet known but Joseph Neuberger, a Toronto criminal lawyer, said people are typically required to be at their residence 24 hours a day. The exceptions are to and from work, education or if there are any medical emergencies.

Sureties are responsible for those under house arrest. “When people sign on to be a surety, they pledge to supervise,” said Neuberger.

Frustrating? I’m sure the 13 year old’s parents feel “frustrated” that their son is in children’s hospital………..I hope they publish the judges name that sentenced Husbands to house arrest……..

And this level of incompetence demonstrates that our criminal justice and law enforcement system/agencies have clear failings and begs the question, why would anyone fault an individual for wishing to further the right to self defence……….

[Signals.Cpl]

It looks like the Shooter, Christopher Husbands was charged with Sexual assault.........

But we need more gun control

Considering that there are 800,000 assault rifles in private homes in Switzerland, I think we need to review the reasons for the violence rather then the weapons used to commit the act. We need strict gun control for those caught with illegal weapons, if you are a criminal and have a fire arm, then you should spend a lot of time in jail rather then punishing everyone for the crimes of the few.

[Guest Derek L]

Considering that there are 800,000 assault rifles in private homes in Switzerland, I think we need to review the reasons for the violence rather then the weapons used to commit the act. We need strict gun control for those caught with illegal weapons, if you are a criminal and have a fire arm, then you should spend a lot of time in jail rather then punishing everyone for the crimes of the few.

This is clearly not the gun’s fault…….I’ve got a household full of them and mine haven’t killed anyone………….I question why a judge would let a violent sex offender off with house arrest……..If this wasn’t a case for mandatory minims for violent crime, I don’t know what is.

[eyeball]

I've been made to this email point before. Gangs will always want to pedal illegal things. Making certain things legal won't get rid of criminals trying to make money.

No, but making crime hard work will quite likely cut down their numbers dramatically.

[Fletch 27]

It's Ontario, we are soft on crime but hell on job creation. But we like windmills. The libs would rather see the sex offenders in school rather than jails. Dalton has already commented on how we don't need jails... They are "overcrowded" as they are... We need rehabilitation. Welcome to Ontario... Please take a number and check your long-gun in here. We don't want no coyote killers...

Ontario and the libs will never Institute minimums.... Keeps the pedophile,rapists,murderers etc etc out of the tax pool.... And that tax pool pays for hard working teachers!

This is clearly not the gun’s fault…….I’ve got a household full of them and mine haven’t killed anyone………….I question why a judge would let a violent sex offender off with house arrest……..If this wasn’t a case for mandatory minims for violent crime, I don’t know what is.

Edited June 5, 2012 by Fletch 27

[eyeball]

And this level of incompetence demonstrates that our criminal justice and law enforcement system/agencies have clear failings and begs the question, why would anyone fault an individual for wishing to further the right to self defence……….

Because it's fricken nuts that's why.

In the meantime, why aren't gangs of liquor and beer and wine store clerks shooting it out in the streets when resolving their disputes over market share?

[Fletch 27]

Good parenting... And the right to bear fine scotch wiskey.

Because it's fricken nuts that's why.

In the meantime, why aren't gangs of liquor and beer and wine store clerks shooting it out in the streets when resolving their disputes over market share?

[Guest Derek L]

Because it's fricken nuts that's why.

In the meantime, why aren't gangs of liquor and beer and wine store clerks shooting it out in the streets when resolving their disputes over market share?

It’s friggen nuts to want to defend ones self and family?

As for shooting itself, Toronto police are saying that although the shooter and victims were in the same gang, it’s not gang related……….I want to know why a violent sex offender get house arrest in this country, and the police admit they can’t monitor all violent offenders on house arrest, and when this fellow walked out his front door and went into a public place and shot up a lot of innocent people, including a 13 year old, they feel just "frustrated"…..

And yet people still have faith in our justice system?

Edited June 5, 2012 by Derek L

[waldo]

I want to know why a violent sex offender get house arrest in this country

And yet people still have faith in our justice system?

I hate to dampen your agenda... but... the guy wasn't a, as you say, 'violent sex offender'. Did you hear, apparently he was... accused... was on bail and the house arrest reflected on his past and not on the accusation.

[Signals.Cpl]

I hate to dampen your agenda... but... the guy wasn't a, as you say, 'violent sex offender'. Did you hear, apparently he was... accused... was on bail and the house arrest reflected on his past and not on the accusation.

Past as in being a gang member? Sure sounds like a sweetheart.

[dre]

I've been made to this email point before. Gangs will always want to pedal illegal things. Making certain things legal won't get rid of criminals trying to make money.

MEh... there will always be criminals yes but if you criminalize large lucrative industries you absolutely create way more criminals who are way better funded. Not to menion you deprive honest regulated taxpaying businessmen from participating in the supply side.

Dumb.

[eyeball]

It’s friggen nuts to want to defend ones self and family?

Arguing for the right to carry concealed guns for this purpose is.

Especially when there is so much more of a rational option at hand.

Edited June 5, 2012 by eyeball

[dre]

And yet people still have faith in our justice system?

Well sure... rational people look at the system as a whole and compare its effectiveness against that of other systems.

NO SYSTEM EVER... will EVER be able to avoid having the occasional horrible outcome that would make reactionists yell "How can people still have faith in this system!!!".

[Guest Derek L]

I hate to dampen your agenda... but... the guy wasn't a, as you say, 'violent sex offender'. Did you hear, apparently he was... accused... was on bail and the house arrest reflected on his past and not on the accusation.

Is that any better……really? A past full of violence as mentioned in the Star piece by his father, then after being charged with sexual assault, released on bail and put under house arrest……..And well the rest has since been played out…………You don’t feel this Judge’s poor choice should be brought into question? What would you feel the likelihood of Mr Husbands, allegedly, shooting up a food court if he were held in a provincial remand center?

[waldo]

Is that any better……really?

you were wrong - will you be updating (removing) your current MLW status message?

[Guest Derek L]

you were wrong - will you be updating (removing) your current MLW status message?

Why would I do that? Was Mr Husband under House arrest? Was Mr Husband not charged with sexual assault? Did not a judge grant him bail and house arrest?

[waldo]

Why would I do that? Was Mr Husband under House arrest? Was Mr Husband not charged with sexual assault? Did not a judge grant him bail and house arrest?

you've labeled the guy a sexual assault offender... you've already been offered the distinction between accused and offender. The accused was out on bail to the accused charge... you've already been offered and acknowledged the qualification that the house arrest was for prior circumstance - nothing to do with the accused charge.

I appreciate the subtleties of accuracy act to dampen your agenda.

[Guest Derek L]

you've labeled the guy a sexual assault offender... you've already been offered the distinction between accused and offender. The accused was out on bail to the accused charge... you've already been offered and acknowledged the qualification that the house arrest was for prior circumstance - nothing to do with the accused charge.

I appreciate the subtleties of accuracy act to dampen your agenda.

Dampen my agenda? Mr Husbands, well on house arrest, had a court order banning him from possessing weapons and leaving his home……..Clearly, if/when the testimony of numerous witness, the admittance of security footage etc help convict Mr Husbands of his most recent charges, will this not demonstrate that the judge that granted him bail/ house arrest after being charged with sexual assault, used poor judgement with regards to Mr Husbands? Dare I say negligence in ensuring the public’s safety.