Israel threatening to do what I suuggested 5 years ago.

[dre]

You would think so being a little slow on the uptake...now think about that West Bank of yours really really hard.

Theres no relevant comparison to be made. Israel does not assert any claim of sovereighty there. YOU are asserting an entirely bogus claim on their behalf maybe using revisionist history and logic that would make your average romper room student look like Einstein. But theres really nothing more going on here than that.

And besides all that this whole thing is a strawman anyways because you are suggesting in a round about way that I think that Israel is going to give all that land back. I have plainly stated the exact opposite.

[dre]

Not going to touch that other one...eh? lolz

What other one is that?

Youre dishonest caricature of my position? Or your utterly retarded attempts to compare the West Bank to Texas?

[DogOnPorch]

lol...didn't think you would.

[dre]

lol...didn't think you would.

Im glad to! But you spout so much horseshit I honestly dont know which pile youre asking me to respond to here. Iv already jammed most of it back down your throat, but If I missed a pile than please ellaborate.

To be honest though youre probably better off sticking with your silly little sarcastic one-liners. Harder to keep putting your foot in your mouth that way.

Edited June 3, 2012 by dre

[jbg]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Westbank_barrier.png

That was built to stop terror cells from getting in and blowing-up discos and school buses. Now, suicide bombings are very rare because of it. Once built, rockets became the main terror weapon.

The Arabs should have bargained productively and in good faith a long time ago. And good faith implies wanting true peace, not just a truce, in forward, advanced positions, to retool for another "struggle".

Boo hoo on Jerusalem and most of the "settlements".

[dre]

The Arabs should have bargained productively and in good faith a long time ago. And good faith implies wanting true peace, not just a truce, in forward, advanced positions, to retool for another "struggle".

Boo hoo on Jerusalem and most of the "settlements".

Neither side has bargained productively or in good faith. You people truly deserve each other. I doubt its an accident that you wound up fighting over the same god forsaken dirt-farm/holy-land. You belong together!

Edited June 3, 2012 by dre

[Moonlight Graham]

Good one doggy, but they already FOUND that out. The map seems quite clear.

Rockets aren't very effective compared to suicide bombings. Wikipedia says 8600 rockets fired since 2001, only 28 deaths. A guy with boom-boom strapped to his chest could beat that in a morning.

Edited June 4, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[DogOnPorch]

Neither side has bargained productively or in good faith. You people truly deserve each other. I doubt its an accident that you wound up fighting over the same god forsaken dirt-farm/holy-land. You belong together!

Dirty Jews or just dirty Israelis?

Edited June 4, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

The first place? Jordan held the so-called West Bank and didn't give up claim until 1988...oddly enough. Oddly enough as well, there were no rabid foaming at the mouth calls for an al-Husseini Clan...errr...pardon...Palestinian homeland during that stretch from 1948-67. Why was that dre? Hmmmmm??

This is the post you (dre) so cleverly call a pile of horse shit or whatever. Care to point out the false bits for me? Care to answer?

[dre]

Dirty Jews or just dirty Israelis?

Notice how you conveniently ignore the fact that I was talking about TWO groups of people and their behavior, so that you could play your little anti-semite card? I could care less about their ethnicity or religion... I dont like the people perpetuating this conflict on BOTH SIDES simply because they are scumbags.

[DogOnPorch]

Notice how you conveniently ignore the fact that I was talking about TWO groups of people and their behavior, so that you could play your little anti-semite card? I could care less about their ethnicity or religion... I dont like the people perpetuating this conflict on BOTH SIDES simply because they are scumbags.

Sure thing, dre. Both are evil. It's the tactic you always use when your back is against the wall.

[DogOnPorch]

Still can't manage to address Jordan's role in all this, eh? Too bad. But, no doubt, they're just scumbags, too...lol.

[Guest Peeves]

Still can't manage to address Jordan's role in all this, eh? Too bad. But, no doubt, they're just scumbags, too...lol.

Why won't Egypt take back the Gaza?

[Guest Peeves]

Rockets aren't very effective compared to suicide bombings. Wikipedia says 8600 rockets fired since 2001, only 28 deaths. A guy with boom-boom strapped to his chest could beat that in a morning.

Rockets are a demoralizing terrorist influence on day to day life. No other country would stand for thousands of rockets being fired into their country, nor should they.

Those supporting Arabs bitch about an inappropriate response .So, should an appropriate response then consist of an equal number of rockets fired back?

[DogOnPorch]

Why won't Egypt take back the Gaza?

For the same reason Jordan gave up its claim to the WB.

1. They do not want these yahoos, either.

2. It throws a stick into Israel's spokes. Suddenly, these folks are Israel's problem, not Egypt's or Jordan's. Yayyyy...

[Guest Peeves]

They definately would be if the US was running a military occupation of Mexico and plundering for resources like Israel is in the OT's.

And even in the absense of that mexicans kill a hell of a lot more Americans than Arabs kill jews.

Oh but clearly!

Muslims kill a helluva lot more Muslims and everyone else than anyone else anywhere. That btw includes kids,women, nuns, priests, and civilians in any walk of life. There is no way even you should expect serious negotiations with those like Hamas that murdered Fatah members in Gaza. If Fatah doesn't trust Hamas why should Israelis.

Occupied territories are the result of war and are disputed territories. Now since Arabs don't accept that there is an Israel, who I ask is occupying the disputed territories?

"No nation acting rationally has returned lands taken from a weaker neighbor, especially in response to aggression. No country has returned territory significant to its national consciousness, especially with no significant war threat involved.

The State of Israel is ridiculously small, minuscule compared to most Arab states artificially carved from Muslim entities much larger than Israel. Even after the demise of the Ottoman Empire, Britain and France originally divided the region into only three countries: Iraq, Palestine, and Syria, and later subdivisions served to appease local puppet dynasties."

Israel wants peace,but not 'peace at any price.' There have to be some concessions or, the state of Israel would be over run by Arab numbers. For a Jewish state to be viable it must have defensible and conceded borders. Israel will not simply act in a way that would insure its demise, why would they? And, who in the middle East of the countries that surround them would you trust if you were a Jew in Israel

[GostHacked]

Sure thing, dre. Both are evil. It's the tactic you always use when your back is against the wall.

I guess we all know what wall those backs are up against.

[DogOnPorch]

I guess we all know what wall those backs are up against.

Well...'ceptin' you.

[Guest Peeves]

I guess we all know what wall those backs are up against.

Robert Frost’s Proverb: “Good fences make good neighbors.”

The proverb “Good fences make good neighbors” has been around for a couple of centuries in different forms. One place it can be found is in Poor Richard’s Almanack by Benjamin Franklin. His version is: “Love your neighbor; yet don’t pull down your hedge.”

It’s interesting that the specific wording of the proverb, “Good fences make good neighbors” is fairly modern. It comes from Robert Frost’s poem Mending Wall from 1914. The poem centers around this concept and questions whether it’s true or not. Here’s the poem…

Mending Wall

Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,

That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it

And spills the upper boulders in the sun,

And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.

The work of hunters is another thing:

I have come after them and made repair

Where they have left not one stone on a stone,

But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,

To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,

No one has seen them made or heard them made,

But at spring mending-time we find them there.

I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;

And on a day we meet to walk the line

And set the wall between us once again.

We keep the wall between us as we go.

To each the boulders that have fallen to each.

And some are loaves and some so nearly balls

We have to use a spell to make them balance:

‘Stay where you are until our backs are turned!’

We wear our fingers rough with handling them.

Oh, just another kind of outdoor game,

One on a side. It comes to little more:

There where it is we do not need the wall:

He is all pine and I am apple orchard.

My apple trees will never get across

And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.

He only says, “Good fences make good neighbors”.

Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder

If I could put a notion in his head:

“Why do they make good neighbors? Isn’t it

Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.

Before I built a wall I’d ask to know

What I was walling in or walling out,

And to whom I was like to give offense.

Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,

That wants it down.” I could say “Elves” to him,

But it’s not elves exactly, and I’d rather

He said it for himself. I see him there,

Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top

In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.

He moves in darkness as it seems to me,

Not of woods only and the shade of trees.

He will not go behind his father’s saying,

And he likes having thought of it so well

He says again, “Good fences make good neighbors.”

[TheNewTeddy]

https://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?authuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214668381355121949879.0004c19dc6ee55fa2a917

I solved the Israel-Palestine problem.

Red line = new border

[Guest Peeves]

https://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?authuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214668381355121949879.0004c19dc6ee55fa2a917

I solved the Israel-Palestine problem.

Red line = new border

Didn't.

[TheNewTeddy]

Oh? This map is very similar to maps that both sides have proposed to one another.

[BC_chick]

This is the post you (dre) so cleverly call a pile of horse shit or whatever. Care to point out the false bits for me? Care to answer?

Really? You need to ask why there was no outrage when the West Bank belonged to Jordan?

There was no ethnic violence. Neither side believed they had a Divine Edict to uphold the land at any cost. Jordan did not treat the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank (since you don't believe in Palestinian identity) as second rate citizens. The list is endless...

Your comparison is ridiculous. Pretty much horseshit as Dre said.

[DogOnPorch]

Really? You need to ask why there was no outrage when the West Bank belonged to Jordan?

There was no ethnic violence. Neither side believed they had a Divine Edict to uphold the land at any cost. Jordan did not treat the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank (since you don't believe in Palestinian identity) as second rate citizens. The list is endless...

Your comparison is ridiculous. Pretty much horseshit as Dre said.

You wouldn't know a Hashemite from an al-Husseini if you tried, apparently. BTW, Yasser Arafat was born in Cairo. Go figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_I_of_Jordan

Sorry...I know understanding some of this stuff requires reading. Try to bear with it. Now, I wonder why he was offed by the Mufti?

[BC_chick]

You wouldn't know a Hashemite from an al-Husseini if you tried, apparently. BTW, Yasser Arafat was born in Cairo. Go figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_I_of_Jordan

Sorry...I know understanding some of this stuff requires reading. Try to bear with it. Now, I wonder why he was offed by the Mufti?

Really? Different tribes of Arabs? Did anything in my post imply otherwise that you thought this ahem, horseshit, would refute it?

You asked a question about why there was no outrage during the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank and I answered you - because there was no ethnic violence and no second-rate citizenship.

Palestinians were given full Jordanian citizenship, they had seats in Parliament. Jordan wasn't keeping them in ghettos and the Palestinians were not blowing themselves up trying to get out of Jordanian rule.

Geddit? No ethnic CONFLICT. Hence the answer to your question - no outrage.

PS... your post is much better suited as a response to the 'Palestinians are Jordanian' types. You know who I'm talking about.

Edited June 26, 2012 by BC_chick