Will Justin Trudeau Cross the Aisle?

[wyly]

This is a typical garbage answer from the NDP left. The "Harperites" are not dividing anyone up into multiple parties.

this a typical garbage answer from the fascist right...how dumb do you need to be to be to believe keeping progressives divided doesn't serve a rightwing agenda...you're probably wetting your pants at the thought of Trudeau led liberals potentially weakening the ndp in quebec...

Unless they are the anti-democratic scum who vote strategically against another party, most people chose a party based on their beliefs.

unless they are anti-democratic scum who strategically merged the reform and PCs against another party, most people choose a party based on their beliefs...

oh my that was just too easy

Edited August 21, 2012 by wyly

[Right-of-Centre]

this a typical garbage answer from the fascist right...how dumb do you need to be to be to believe keeping progressives divided doesn't serve a rightwing agenda...you're probably wetting your pants at the thought of Trudeau led liberals potentially weakening the ndp in quebec...

unless they are anti-democratic scum who strategically merged the reform and PCs against another party, most people choose a party based on their beliefs...

oh my that was just to easy

Are you under the impression that Stephen Harper has locked the Liberal and NDP caucuses in separate rooms and thrown away the key? The Canadian left is certainly free to merge at any time. The only thing stopping them (and this is just a little thing) is a complete disparity in policy.

Do you understand the hypocrisy of what you're saying? You're referring to the "unite the right" merger as some sort of underhanded trick Conservatives played on Canada, whilst advocating a similar merger of the left if only that darn Harper would stop "keeping progressives divided in order to serve the right-wing agenda".

Canadians of all stripes need to come to terms with the fact that we have a multi-party system. A majority is a majority is a majority. You can not keep sniveling about the fact that "60% of Canadians didn't vote Conservative". 70% of Canadians didn't vote NDP and 80% didn't vote liberal. Deal with it.

[PIK]

Are you under the impression that Stephen Harper has locked the Liberal and NDP caucuses in separate rooms and thrown away the key? The Canadian left is certainly free to merge at any time. The only thing stopping them (and this is just a little thing) is a complete disparity in policy.

Do you understand the hypocrisy of what you're saying? You're referring to the "unite the right" merger as some sort of underhanded trick Conservatives played on Canada, whilst advocating a similar merger of the left if only that darn Harper would stop "keeping progressives divided in order to serve the right-wing agenda".

Canadians of all stripes need to come to terms with the fact that we have a multi-party system. A majority is a majority is a majority. You can not keep sniveling about the fact that "60% of Canadians didn't vote Conservative". 70% of Canadians didn't vote NDP and 80% didn't vote liberal. Deal with it.

Beautiful.

[Topaz]

So which party did Harper stick the knife in their back, the reformers or the progressive conservatives? I like to know what MacKay got out of it beside him being a minister, maybe the name "conservative"? Harper brought with him monies from the reformers and whatever money the PC's had, so money is no problem for the tories now, which gives them an advanatage over the other parties. Taking away money from parties for now, will only help the tories and make it harder for the others and that is NOT a fair playing field. Since we don't know what actually happen in the last election, we really don't know if the results from it was staged. One thing for sure, IF the liberals have to exit politics, this will only help the NDP, by those totally against what Harper has done with OAS, EI and health care.

[Right-of-Centre]

So which party did Harper stick the knife in their back, the reformers or the progressive conservatives? I like to know what MacKay got out of it beside him being a minister, maybe the name "conservative"? Harper brought with him monies from the reformers and whatever money the PC's had, so money is no problem for the tories now, which gives them an advanatage over the other parties. Taking away money from parties for now, will only help the tories and make it harder for the others and that is NOT a fair playing field. Since we don't know what actually happen in the last election, we really don't know if the results from it was staged. One thing for sure, IF the liberals have to exit politics, this will only help the NDP, by those totally against what Harper has done with OAS, EI and health care.

I don't understand what you're talking about? In what way are the Conservatives taking money from other parties? The laws on elections spending and fundraising in Canada are quite stringent. The only reason Conservatives are able to raise more money is because they have a broader support base and are quite good at populist fundraising (getting a lot of people to donate small amounts).

Secondly your bizarre implication that the 2011 election was some how rigged is completely unfounded and has no basis in reality. Even if this robo-call nonsense was somehow proven to have been the work of the Conservatives (a big "if"), and the 7 contested riding results were overturned the Conservatives would still hold a majority government by 5 seats. We KNOW what happened last election. Canadians voted in a Conservative government.

Finally, I'd to drop a little bomb of truth on anyone NDP left-wingers who believe the Liberal's fall (or merger) would boost the NDP into a majority position: The Liberals are a centrist party. If the Liberal party disappeared and its supporters were forced to pick a side at least half of them would cross to the Conservatives. Liberals aren't socialists. If they were they'd simply support the NDP. A two-party system in Canada would still yield a Conservative government.

[WWWTT]

A two-party system in Canada would still yield a Conservative government.

You have recent poll links to back your claim?

From what I have been researching,it is the NDP who would form the majority government.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

The only thing stopping them (and this is just a little thing) is a complete disparity in policy.

Nice memory you have there right of centre.

If I believe correctly,the right united because neither the alliance or the pc were going to win a minority or majority.They were going to continue to split the vote giving the liberals a free ride.

However recent polls suggest that the NDP will be forming a majority in 2015,so why merge?

WWWTT

[jbg]

However recent polls suggest that the NDP will be forming a majority in 2015,so why merge?

I find it hard to imagine many English-speaking ridings going for a Quebec-centric NDP. I suppose anything is possible, though.

[WWWTT]

I find it hard to imagine many English-speaking ridings going for a Quebec-centric NDP. I suppose anything is possible, though.

NDP are now polling at 40% in Ontario.

WWWTT

[Smallc]

I'm sorry, but there is no poll that can predict what will happen in 2015.

[WWWTT]

I'm sorry, but there is no poll that can predict what will happen in 2015.

I think it would be foolish to not listen to polls.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Keep in mind that we are talking about if Trudeau would cross over or if there would be a merger.

When polls are giving your party the lead,why consider a merger?

WWWTT

Edited August 22, 2012 by WWWTT

[Right-of-Centre]

You have recent poll links to back your claim?

From what I have been researching,it is the NDP who would form the majority government.

WWWTT

I'll do you one better than polls - basic math. Even if the NDP managed to grab every Liberal seat in the next election (an EXTREMELY long shot) the Conservatives would still hold a majority. Let me break down the 2015 election assuming the Liberals are wiped out:

-Sask and Alberta will keep all their current Conservative seat and probably pick up Goodale's seat in Regina

-Newfoundland will flip its Liberal seat to NDP seats just to spite the Conservative government

-Conservatives will pick up the majority of Liberal seats in Ontario (I'm not sure what poll you're seeing that has them at 40%). Nearly every Ontario Liberal riding has Conservative history and/or has Conservative candidates coming in close second consistently in the last few elections.

-The NDP will hold onto Quebec and pick up the few Liberal seats there (this depends on the results of the Quebec prov election. If the PLQ are re-elected I would predict a few Quebec NDP seats might swing Conservative)

-BC will see the Conservatives loose a few weak seats to the NDP.

Note:These are predictions based on the current electoral map. Things are apt to change here and there with the new electoral boundaries being drawn this year, but not by much.

After all this I still see the Conservatives pulling a majority by about 10 seats. Normally elections are won in the east but with the Conservatives holding Ontario and the NDP holding Quebec this is a bit of a stale mate. The Tories have the presence in the west to offset this that the NDP simply don't have.

[WWWTT]

I'll do you one better than polls

In other words you do not have any recent polls that help your argument.

WWWTT

[Topaz]

Let's just wait and see how many voters come out in the next election and I'm sure there will be more than the last one because of the changes Tories are making to social programs, the money they are going to spend on the new bridge in the Windsor -Detroit area, the billions they want to spend on the F-35, which I understand China has all the particulars on,and the way Harper will send our military into any war if the US asks. One of the reasons Harper is up in the north is of the North America Superhighway which includes the northern part of Canada and the deep water ports. The only problem is this government has spent so much they can't afford to build one! Just like Mulroney gave us "Free Trade" Harper is giving us the road to the NAU within 10-15 years, if not sooner.

[Right-of-Centre]

In other words you do not have any recent polls that help your argument.

WWWTT

Latest opinion poll has Tories up 5%. Also has them at 40% in Ontario to the NDP's 29%. Perhaps you read the facts the way you wanted to. Easy mistake. http://bit.ly/QBm4cd

[wyly]

Latest opinion poll has Tories up 5%. Also has them at 40% in Ontario to the NDP's 29%. Perhaps you read the facts the way you wanted to. Easy mistake. http://bit.ly/QBm4cd

:lol: how am I not surprised, abacusdata the contractual pollster of sun news a.k.a. the propaganda wing of cpc party :lol: sun news readership educational level, high school and lower...

[Right-of-Centre]

:lol: how am I not surprised, abacusdata the contractual pollster of sun news a.k.a. the propaganda wing of cpc party :lol: sun news readership educational level, high school and lower...

Speaking of high school education level "CPC party" is redundant. It would read "Conservative Party of Canada Party". The plethora of emoticons are also a nice touch. If you're going to insult someone on the grounds of stupidity at least try to do it in an intelligent way.

[August1991]

"Trudeau cross the aisle?" It looks like I was wrong.

Here's a case where I thought/surmised a possibility, but I imagined wrong.

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There is no life without risk. Chance/probability is the basis of time.

Edited October 8, 2012 by August1991

[segnosaur]

:lol: how am I not surprised, abacusdata the contractual pollster of sun news a.k.a. the propaganda wing of cpc party :lol: sun news readership educational level, high school and lower...

You know, I find it quite revealing that when someone provides some basic fact information, then your first and only resource is to attack his source of information. A more reasonable poster would actually go through the trouble of actually posting their own references to counteract what was posted.

A failure to do so only makes a person look like an arrogant, opinionated blow-hard with no real knowledge to back up their statements. Kind of like a Fox-news commentator.

About 30 seconds of searching has found multiple opinion polls showing that the results from Abacusdata are pretty much on par with that of other polling companies. For example:

May2012 - Abacus: Con-35-37%, NDP 35%, Angus Reid: Con-37%, NDP-35% (See http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/44851/conservatives-steady-ndp-gains-at-the-expense-of-liberals-in-canada/)

So, in the past they've been willing to put out results that were quite similar to those of other pollsters.

Perhaps you should change your name from wyly to Wally, as per the following Dilbert cartoon:

http://www.dilbert.com/2012-10-07/