stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I don't know you that well, so I wouldn't be able to hold a grudge. I don't remember reporting you. Reports are anonymous so I don't know how you'd know. This isn't the point of the thread so let's move on. You told me to stop the insults in the thread and then not long after i got a msg from charles anthony I put two and two together There is a clear difference telling somone to go to hell and telling someone they could go to hell Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 You told me to stop the insults in the thread and then not long after i got a msg from charles anthony I put two and two together There is a clear difference telling somone to go to hell and telling someone they could go to hell I think others complain about you too. Ok. Thanks for explaining. Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Michael one more private message telling me what to do and I will report you for harrasment Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 So unless i kiss everyones ass I am a racist or bigot? you have issues man It's not about kissing everyone's ass. It's about not being offensive and disrespectful to entire groups of people. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) It's not about kissing everyone's ass. It's about not being offensive and disrespectful to entire groups of people. Are you upset with my comments towards religious zealots (christians, muslims), the truth about Canadas aboriginals? transgendered people? Edited April 7, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Cyber you'd be a phony of a person if you were personally okay with every group of people Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Michael one more private message telling me what to do and I will report you for harrasment You obviously have a problem with authority. You've admitted as much yourself. So maybe you need to just take a step back and consider what you're saying in that context. MH was elected by the members of this forum to be the facilitator because of his even-handed and balanced approach to posting on these forums. As a facilitator it is his responsibility to inform posters when they are breaking the rules on the forum, in order to keep discussions on track, as well as educating people that may be unaware of the rules. He does not edit, delete, or change posts in any way and he has no control over who is banned. Those responsibilities belong to Charles Anthony and, although he doesn't appear to be very involved these days, Greg. So if Michael messages you, it's to inform you that you may be breaking forum rules, not to harass you. I would think that most people would be thankful to know this before a moderator gets involved. However, as I said, you have a problem with authority, so you can't take it for what it is. I would strongly recommend taking a step back and re-evaluating the situation within the context of your own personal idiosyncracies. Otherwise, you're just going to continue getting pissed off over stupid inconsequential things, like being told you're breaking the rules on an internet forum. There's better things to get worked up about. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 What is a group, though? I am ok with any collection of folks - as long as they are assembled peacefully. Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Cyber you'd be a phony of a person if you were personally okay with every group of people I'm able to distinguish between groups and individuals. When you make comments that all individuals in a group hold some sort of characteristic of the group as a whole, you're commiting an ecological fallacy. When you do it in an insulting and offensive way, you deserve to be called out on it. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I wouldn't have a problem with Michael if he treated everyone the same but he doesnt and I've seen it people with power often abuse their power that is why I have a problem with authority Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I have no power here. I have influence, just as others do, but not power. Now can we please stop discussing moderation? There really isn't much point to it. Complain to the mods if you want a change in policy, or to remove me. Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I wouldn't have a problem with Michael if he treated everyone the same but he doesnt and I've seen it You are probably the only poster on the forum that thinks that. This is what I mean. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 okay well im just saying if someone calls me a bigot they are going to be called a jack ass and since bigot is apparently allowed and jackass is not I will get reported Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 If you don't want to follow the rules of this forum, find another forum. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 If you don't want to follow the rules of this forum, find another forum. that also goes for ppl who call people bigot and or racist that breaks the sites rules but is let go by the crooked moderating Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 that also goes for ppl who call people bigot and or racist that breaks the sites rules but is let go by the crooked moderating The website is private property, and if the owner desires "crooked moderating" - and if he did not he would step in to change it - then he desires it. This is Greg's forum and if you don't care for how Greg wants to run his forum, find another. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Can we move on from discussing moderation now please ? Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Can we move on from discussing moderation now please ? It's not just about moderation. I think the central quetion is, is calling someone bigot a pejorative. Now some have said not really, not if they really ARE bigoted. But then by that logic one can also call someone stupid, if the really ARE stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 It's not just about moderation. I think the central quetion is, is calling someone bigot a pejorative. Now some have said not really, not if they really ARE bigoted. But then by that logic one can also call someone stupid, if the really ARE stupid. You're right, Manny. The question on this thread is whether 'bigot' is an insult or not. Stupid is a relative term, though... and ultimately not measurable. Bigots, racists represent a certain point of view, and we even have a poster defending that point of view on here now. Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 ...Stupid is a relative term, though... and ultimately not measurable. Bigots, racists represent a certain point of view, and we even have a poster defending that point of view on here now. Well, if calling a head of state an "idiot" is OK here, certainly it's fine to point out a bigot or two. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewTeddy Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Calling someone a bigot and calling someone's rationale bigoted are different. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 You're right, Manny. The question on this thread is whether 'bigot' is an insult or not. Stupid is a relative term, though... and ultimately not measurable. Bigots, racists represent a certain point of view, and we even have a poster defending that point of view on here now. You made the point earlier and I think it bears repeating, that there's an important difference between calling a comment bigoted and calling a person a bigot. The latter is namecalling. Namecalling does occur on mlw, but doesn't seem excessive to me. It's a good distinction for all of us to remember. Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 You made the point earlier and I think it bears repeating, that there's an important difference between calling a comment bigoted and calling a person a bigot. The latter is namecalling. Namecalling does occur on mlw, but doesn't seem excessive to me. It's a good distinction for all of us to remember. its excessive, its just that you don't seem to care if a few certain people are the targets Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 I wouldn't have a problem with Michael if he treated everyone the same but he doesnt and I've seen it people with power often abuse their power that is why I have a problem with authority Michael just the other day suggested to me that I was being too insulting. I don't feel harassed. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 "What a stupid comment you made." seems equally insulting to directly calling someone "stupid". I think if you're going to insult someone at least have the guts to say it plainly, not by this evasive, cowardly cop-out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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