madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Fair enough... But you are...Shall we say...Somewhat predisposed to being an NDP supporter,aren't you? Which is what I meant by "you folks".... Quite frankly.... I came on MLW many years back... long before there was an NDP prescence on this board. I do see alot of NEW NDP posters.. or supporters, but its hard to tell... the Liberals have more or less disappeared.. although there are some still here..but not in the masses.. There are alot more independent non aligned and even non voters on MLW ... all with opinions... I have one just like you do... I share a different view of Quebec. I believe and I don't know how to search on here.. but alot of my posts regarding the BQ were seen as extreme on this thread... whereas I felt the CPC , LPC were not doing enough... On top of that.. I had long disagreed with Liberal Buzz Hargroves promotion of the BQ to stop Harper. I have no use for the Separtists.. I don't believe their is a need to fuel up separtists anxiety ... But some political parties can't resist tossing some fuel on the fire or light a match...for political points because they would rather have the BQ then not ... And thats a fact... Quote
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) double post. Edited March 31, 2012 by madmax Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 me... what do u want me to propose... lmao.. Perhaps there needs to be Provincial NDP in Quebec. As far as I know none of the Parties from the ADQ , the PQ or the Libs let alone all the other minor parties don't campaign on signing the constitution.. infact.. I don't know anyone in the mood for constitutional talks of anykind anglophone or Francophone.. You...As an NDP supporter...What specifically do you want to see on the table here? What would you like the NDP to discuss with some in Quebec to put an end to seperatist leanings? I mean ,there's going to be a quid pro quo,so what are you prepared to give up? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) You...As an NDP supporter...What specifically do you want to see on the table here? What would you like the NDP to discuss with some in Quebec to put an end to seperatist leanings? I mean ,there's going to be a quid pro quo,so what are you prepared to give up? Sorry dude.. no idea what you are talking about... Lets hear your ideas.. but it sounds like your position would inflame the situation... Last Election.. 3 federalist parties finished above the BQ! I want to see them BQ reduced to zero.. but others are quite happy to see BQ polling numbers rise.. Edited March 31, 2012 by madmax Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Sorry dude.. no idea what you are talking about... Lets hear your ideas.. but it sounds like your position would inflame the situation... Last Election.. 3 federalist parties finished above the BQ! I want to see them BQ reduced to zero.. but others are quite happy to see BQ polling numbers rise.. I assume you think the Sherbrooke Declaration should the framework for further dealings with Quebec? But,it's fair to say a verbatim implementation of that document is probably not going to happen... What do you think would be a good starting point to have this discussion vis a vis the spirit of the Sherbrooke Declaration? Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
WWWTT Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Posted March 31, 2012 Wrong approach... That land is ours... And how much in property taxes do you pay every year for that land that you claim is "our land" WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 And how much in property taxes do you pay every year for that land that you claim is "our land" WWWTT Probably whatever property taxes he gets a bill for. You know, the amount he's obligated to pay under the law. What's your point? Quote
WWWTT Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Posted March 31, 2012 The Conservatives need the NDP in Quebec so they can have a new whipping boy... And the payback is gonna be a bitch when the NDP pull the BC,Saskatchewan and Manitoba out from under them! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Cool!!! What are we going to debate with seperatists??? already have. the bq was elected many times. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Posted March 31, 2012 Probably whatever property taxes he gets a bill for. You know, the amount he's obligated to pay under the law. What's your point? Why are you coming to the defence of Jack? I thought you guys did not like each other?Maybe you guys really are married? Anyways the point I was making was that Jack claimed or implied that Quebec was his or ours and ultimately all that is yours is all that you own and are responsible for. And this is getting way off topic so I better not be party to anymore thread drift. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 And how much in property taxes do you pay every year for that land that you claim is "our land" WWWTT Thats a rediculous statement Quote
WWWTT Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Posted March 31, 2012 Thats a rediculous statement Actually I asked a question not made a statement(but I forgot to add the ? at the end of the sentence so I may have caused confusion). What do you find odd?My question or Jacks original statement that I questioned? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) already have. the bq was elected many times. Not as it relates to the Sherbrooke Declaration and a potential NDP federal government.... Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Signals.Cpl Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Separation is not dead because Quebec still holds Canada hostage with demands for special treatment and more power then any one other province. If you want Quebec in with the rest of Canada, give them 2 options: 1) Be an equal partner in Canada, just like every other province. 2) Get out. Should they want to separate at that point kindly let them, within 5 years they will be ruined and begging to be part of Canada.Honestly, I don't believe that most people in Quebec have even thought out all of the ramifications of separation if they were to go through with it, and the fact that people hold the belief that should Quebec separate they can still retain all of the good parts of being Canadian while rejecting all of the parts they view as negative. I say give them an ultimatum join the 21st century and Canada, or get out and make sure to outline what they will lose in the process and what they will gain. Once they see that the cons far outweigh the pros all of this nonsense about separation will be long forgotten except by the die hard supporters, but in reality they would be nowhere near the 50% required. Interesting to read: http://global-economics.ca/dth.chap11.htm Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
MACKER Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 the issue with the above premise is that Quebec has special status because it was given legal status as a basis of it being a possession of the crown. Canada would not have rightful claim due to breach of the treaty of Paris 1763. Quote
MACKER Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) the issue with the above premise is that Quebec has special status because it was given legal status as a basis of it being a possession of the crown. Canada would not have rightful claim due to breach of the treaty of Paris 1763. http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/encyclopedia/TraitedeParis-Lejeune.html Breach would also mean loss of right for the crown to Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI. ". His Britannick Majesty, on his side, agrees to grant the liberty of the Catholick religion to the inhabitants of Canada: he will, in consequence, give the most precise and most effectual orders, that his new Roman Catholic subjects may profess the worship of their religion according to the rites of the Romish church, as far as the laws of Great Britain permit. " See also: The Quebec Act Unless the British repeal the Canada Act the Quebec Act ain't changin. http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Canada/English/PreConfederation/qa_1774.html little chuckle out of the ", subject to the King's Supremacy, " Edited April 1, 2012 by MACKER Quote
bleeding heart Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 But some political parties can't resist tossing some fuel on the fire or light a match...for political points because they would rather have the BQ then not ... And thats a fact... Ah! A good point. Without Enemies, they would be compelled to create some.... Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Signals.Cpl Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) I'm sorry, can you point to the part of the treaty where Quebec is given special treatment? And by special treatment I don't mean allowing it to practice their religion, increasing the size of their province and giving them leeway when it comes to their culture and law system. It does not state anywhere that should Quebec become part of a union with other colonies, it will get treatment above and beyond what the rest of the colonies of said union would receive. And when did I ever bring religion in to this? Don't throw "evidence" that proves something I never argued for or against. The fact is that the Quebec Act guarantees nothing but the bare minimum, The right to continue practicing their religion, the right to continue using their civil law's, increase their boundaries, and the right to have Catholics run for public office ins Quebec. Im pretty sure that the Quebec Act is pretty irrelevant at this point in time as everyone has the right to practice their own religion, everyone has the right to run for public office, nobody is arguing to cut the territory of Quebec down so thats out, neither are we arguing to change their civil law, so again that is also out. Edited April 1, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Unless the British repeal the Canada Act the Quebec Act ain't changin. The British have nothing to do wtih the treaty you were talking about. The Monarch of Canada does. Quote
Shady Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Why are you coming to the defence of Jack? I confront and denounce all idiocy. Not just Jack. Quote
WWWTT Posted April 1, 2012 Author Report Posted April 1, 2012 I confront and denounce all idiocy. Not just Jack. Then may God give strength to those who must keep you in check! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Then may God give strength to those who must keep you in check! WWWTT Somebody's got to, or the idiocy gets out of control. Quote
The Right One Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 without taliban jack[r.i.p] the NDP are a flash in the pan. we will be seeing a 70%+ conservative majority next election and total decimation of the liberal party. Quote
Shady Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 without taliban jack[r.i.p] How dare you! It's Saint Jacques! Quote
WWWTT Posted April 1, 2012 Author Report Posted April 1, 2012 I confront and denounce all idiocy. Not just Jack. "This land is our land" is a Woody Guthrie song. If you somehow think that someone has entitlement because of a freekin song then you got some real serious issues with reality and perception buddy! In other words if Quebec seperates and Jack Weber doesn't like it he can go to Quebec city and squat on their provincial parliament grounds.When the cops there start pepper spraying him in the face and wackin him with clubs he can sing "This land is our land" for freekin inspiration and then tell the judge "hey man/lady its in a song,what about the song?" Good luck buddy! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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