bush_cheney2004 Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 We managed it without armed colonists. Right...others had to do the heavy lifting for Canada. Not as flashy but less bloody and still something to be proud of. No I didn't. The Americans are very proud too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Right...others had to do the heavy lifting for Canada. How so? We didn't need you or guns to get our independence. On edit, I take that back. A couple of wars with you helped make us a country. The Americans are very proud too. That's nice. Edited March 31, 2012 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 How so? We didn't need you or guns to get our independence. Somebody had to start the party and tell the Crown to bugger off. It wasn't Canada. That's nice. I agree....such pride is not limited to Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Somebody had to start the party and tell the Crown to bugger off. It wasn't Canada. No they didn't, we still have the Crown by choice. I agree....such pride is not limited to Canada. Who said it was? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 No they didn't, we still have the Crown by choice. ..or you still have it not by choice. Who said it was? You didn't include that part in the usual reference to "southern neighbours". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 This thread gets more ridiculous by the hour. No kidding. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 So now the entire Conservative party is telling kids to arm themselves and take their guns to school?? This thread gets more ridiculous by the hour. No....Just a kook like Breitkreuz... I wonder what Candace Hoeppner thinks?? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 No....Just a kook like Breitkreuz... Proof, please. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Proof, please. Check the opening quote... He's the one intimating it might be a good idea for girls to pack heat to stop potential rapes... Or do you think that's a good idea (the packin' heat thing not rape)? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Check the opening quote... You mean the media's repetition of what a woman said her daughter said Breitkreuz said? Yeah, I need better than that, thanks. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) You mean the media's repetition of what a woman said her daughter said Breitkreuz said? Yeah, I need better than that, thanks. I haven't seen any denials from the intrepid,and of course Honourable Gary Breitkreuz,have you? Ya'know..The father of the legislation to repeal the Long Gun Registry??? Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) I haven't seen any denials from the intrepid,and of course Honourable Gary Breitkreuz,have you? Yes. His words of denial are in the article linked in the OP. They're the only words of his in the entire article, so I'm not too surprised you missed them. (PS: Breitkreuz hasn't been appointed to the Privy Council, so he's not entitled to the style of "The Honourable".) [ed.: +] Edited March 31, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Yes. His words of denial are in the article linked in the OP. They're the only words of his in the entire article, so I'm not too surprised you missed them. (PS: Breitkreuz hasn't been appointed to the Privy Council, so he's not entitled to the style of "The Honourable".) [ed.: +] Are you suggesting that this is the work of a parent who has a problem with Mr. Breitkreuz specifically? Are you also suggesting the Conservative party,at least in some of their circles,would'nt like to see looser gun laws? Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Are you suggesting...Are you also suggesting... I'm not suggesting anything other than a lot of people are making long leaps to self-satisfying conclusions. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 I'm not suggesting anything other than a lot of people are making long leaps to self-satisfying conclusions. By the way,Mr. Breitkreuz denials sound like something out of the Dean Del Mastro School of Public Outrage.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shady Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 So, does anyone know the actual comments of the MP? Quote
jacee Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 I will ask again, aside from a letter written by a mother about what her kid told her was said in class that day, is there any actual evidence contained in the media article that proves the MP told 14 year old kids to go out and arm themselves with guns and bring them to school? Stop for a second and ask yourself, does this sound right, do you really think he said these things, or is it possible that this media story contains inaccuracies about what was said? I don't know what was said that day, maybe he did say these things. If he did, he's crazy. I personally don't not think he told kids to walk around school with guns, I really don't. I think the media wrote a biased, untruthful story based on a letter written by an anti gun advocate which was based on statements that were taken out the of context that were not confirmed. But then again,I'm speculating...we all are. The government) should make it easier to access guns so people can protect themselves.'" Breitkreuz also supposedly illustrated his arguments with "what if" stories. For instance, he presented the students with a scenario in which a group of eight people confronts a robber with a gun. He suggested it would be better if one of the eight possessed a gun and shot the robber before he had a chance to harm anyone The MP also told the students about a study in a community in the United States where there was a high incidence of rape. In an effort to deal with the situation, local authorities offered guns and training to local women. The program was widely publicized - at least 200 women had been trained and armed - and ncidents of rape then dropped sharply. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/news/story.html?id=6382754 The man is an authority figure, a member of government. He was invited to talk to students about his career. HInstead he blasted them with his gun propaganda. It's irresponsible, and disgusting. And I will emphasize my previous point: Telling young girls that women should carry a gun to protect themselves from sexual assault is way out of line. This creep has no clue about dealing with adolescents. If one good thing comes of this it will be that the creep will never be allowed to talk to students again. Quote
Shady Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Breitkreuz also supposedly illustrated his arguments with "what if" stories. Once again, what did he actually say. Let's end the allegedly, and supposedly. Let's deal with facts for a change. Quote
g_bambino Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 The man is a... member of government. No, he's not. Quote
Wilber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 So now the entire Conservative party is telling kids to arm themselves and take their guns to school?? This thread gets more ridiculous by the hour. I didn't say that. I was responding to people who somehow think that is the adgenda and it would be possible to carry it out. I think not. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
capricorn Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 And I will emphasize my previous point: Telling young girls that women should carry a gun to protect themselves from sexual assault is way out of line. To refresh your memory, once again I post a link with the full text of the mother's letter complaining about Breitkreuz's comments. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/03/30/matt-gurney-talking-about-self-defence-isnt-promoting-gun-violence/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Contrary to your assertion, mother does not state anywhere in that letter or complain that he spoke the words you attribute to him. What you are doing is repeating what Judy Foote said in the House and repeated in the media. What Foote said is unsubstantiated by any of the parties involved. This creep has no clue about dealing with adolescents. And you know this how? If one good thing comes of this it will be that the creep will never be allowed to talk to students again. One thing that is coming out of this is you buying into hearsay lock, stock and barrel (pun intended). Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 I'm not suggesting anything other than a lot of people are making long leaps to self-satisfying conclusions. "are you suggesting" "Do you mean this when you say this.." Always feels like manipulation when i read statements thab begin with those words.. Quote
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 To refresh your memory, once again I post a link with the full text of the mother's letter complaining about Breitkreuz's comments. Exactly.... Quote
jacee Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) I think you're missing the point. The only thing the article is based on is what Sakisheway wrote in her letter. Did you also read this paragraph in the article you just linked? Ahh yes ... the classic Con denial. So it's his word against the teenager's, as reported by the mother. Given the Cons record ... my money's on the teenager and the mother for the truth. From my previous link: Sakisheway said she had no objection to Breitkreuz defending the government's decision on the long-gun registry, even though she disagreed with it. What most bothered her were the "what if" scenarios that, in her view promoted vigilantism. ÎÎ"It's one thing (for Breitkreuz) to say, 'I have supported the abolition of the gun registry.' If he'd left it at that, fine. But he went much further with his'what if' stories. He was talking about vigilantism." Breitkreuz should have known better than to describe violent and frightening scenarios - such as robberies and rapes - to an audience of impressionable children, Sakisheway said. I agree. And that's my opinion and my decision as a parent. Breitkreuz, and anyone else, has a right to speak to his own kids that way, but he had no right to talk to OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS that way without their permission. And I doubt he'll get that chance again because I expect he's now dropped from the list of approved speakers in schools, and that's a very good thing. Edited April 1, 2012 by jacee Quote
Shady Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Ahh yes ... the classic Con denial. So it's his word against the teenager's, as reported by the mother. Given the Cons record ... my money's on the teenager and the mother for the truth. From my previous link: Sakisheway said she had no objection to Breitkreuz defending the government's decision on the long-gun registry, even though she disagreed with it. What most bothered her were the "what if" scenarios that, in her view promoted vigilantism. ÎÎ"It's one thing (for Breitkreuz) to say, 'I have supported the abolition of the gun registry.' If he'd left it at that, fine. But he went much further with his'what if' stories. He was talking about vigilantism." Breitkreuz should have known better than to describe violent and frightening scenarios - such as robberies and rapes - to an audience of impressionable children, Sakisheway said. I agree. And that's my opinion and my decision as a parent. Breitkreuz, and anyone else, has a right to speak to his own kids that way, but he had no right to talk to OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS that way without their permission. And I doubt he'll get that chance again because I expect he's now dropped from the list of approved speakers in schools, and that's a very good thing. So what you're saying is that you still have no proof as to what was actually said. On a related note, I've received a letter from an individual claiming that you sell drugs out of a highschool cafeteria. And so far, it's just your word against the person I received the letter from. You have some explaining to do. Quote
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