Why not agree to agree as formerly?

[Guest Peeves]

Maybe we need a two party system with former Liberal Mulcair and former NDP Rae merging parties and admitting their former political inclinations were complimentary juxtapositional

A turncoat politician named Rae

Switched from NDP to Liberal they say

Spent like a sailor on leave

Taxpayers broke and deceived.

Remembered for such till today.

New NDP political leader Mulcair

Is another turncoat if you care.

Former Liberal Quebec MLA.

Entered the Federal fray

Both the above now tout au contraire

[WLDB]

I dont see a problem with either of them changing their political stripes. Most politically engaged people do it at some point. How many people here have voted for more than one party in their lifetime? I've voted for two so far. Harper was once a young Liberal, then went PC, then Reform. Now he has his own party.

People change.

[cybercoma]

Maybe we need a two party system with former Liberal Mulcair and former NDP Rae merging parties and admitting their former political inclinations were complimentary juxtapositional

A turncoat politician named Rae

Switched from NDP to Liberal they say

Spent like a sailor on leave

Taxpayers broke and deceived.

Remembered for such till today.

New NDP political leader Mulcair

Is another turncoat if you care.

Former Liberal Quebec MLA.

Entered the Federal fray

Both the above now tout au contraire

How is Mulcair a turncoat? He went from provincial politics to federal politics. Where does someone that's a social democrat go in Quebec provincial politics? There is no NDP at that level.

[Guest Peeves]

How is Mulcair a turncoat? He went from provincial politics to federal politics. Where does someone that's a social democrat go in Quebec provincial politics? There is no NDP at that level.

Artistic license.

I don't care what party he's affiliated with ..today, he's a better man than Rae. I'm sorry he's an NDP

Ya think he'll have any move to a merge, that was my point after all.

[cybercoma]

Mulcair stated unequivocally that there will be no merger. I believe his words were something along the lines of this: "The Liberals had their opportunity. They have a history of flashing left and turning right. Now there's only one choice left for progressive voters in Canada."

[WLDB]

Mulcair stated unequivocally that there will be no merger. I believe his words were something along the lines of this: "The Liberals had their opportunity. They have a history of flashing left and turning right. Now there's only one choice left for progressive voters in Canada."

As Mansbridge pointed out in that interview, Peter Mackay said similar things when he took over the PCs.

[stopstaaron]

"The Liberals had their opportunity. They have a history of flashing left and turning right. Now there's only one choice left for progressive voters in Canada."

Why is Mulcair adopting Michael Ignatieff's failed strategy of claiming to be the only party to vote for in Canada? And why does Mulcair think he can fight the budget when the Conservatives have a majority?

This guy is dense. Someone please tell him what a majority means.

[WLDB]

And why does Mulcair think he can fight the budget when the Conservatives have a majority?

He can fight it. He just cant defeat it or the government. He'll take it to the media most likely. Or start making ads. He's already said some are in the works.

He's the opposition leader. Its his job to oppose and attack.

[stopstaaron]

He can fight it. He just cant defeat it or the government. He'll take it to the media most likely. Or start making ads. He's already said some are in the works.

He's the opposition leader. Its his job to oppose and attack.

Yeah, but, I think we're all pretty sick of attack ads and robocalls.. I think I may just keep a tally of how many attack ads from each party I've seen in the next couple years and just vote for the party I've seen the least of

Sounds like a good formula to me

[WLDB]

Yeah, but, I think we're all pretty sick of attack ads and robocalls.. I think I may just keep a tally of how many attack ads from each party I've seen in the next couple years and just vote for the party I've seen the least of

Sounds like a good formula to me

I guess you'll be voting Green then.

We've been sick of attack ads forever. Unfortunately they just become more popular with the parties because they seem to work.

I wont see any unless I chose to. No cable.

[Guest Peeves]

I guess you'll be voting Green then.

We've been sick of attack ads forever. Unfortunately they just become more popular with the parties because they seem to work.

I wont see any unless I chose to. No cable.

Attack ads go with the politic territory. I enjoy them, make me laugh.

[cybercoma]

As Mansbridge pointed out in that interview, Peter Mackay said similar things when he took over the PCs.

LOL @ the NDP's position being even remotely comparable to that of the PC's when Mackay was at the helm.

[cybercoma]

Why is Mulcair adopting Michael Ignatieff's failed strategy of claiming to be the only party to vote for in Canada? And why does Mulcair think he can fight the budget when the Conservatives have a majority?

This guy is dense. Someone please tell him what a majority means.

You obviously don't understand the government works. I suggest having somebody explain it to you.

[cybercoma]

Yeah, but, I think we're all pretty sick of attack ads and robocalls.. I think I may just keep a tally of how many attack ads from each party I've seen in the next couple years and just vote for the party I've seen the least of

Sounds like a good formula to me

Elizabeth May and the Green Party appreciate your vote.

[WLDB]

LOL @ the NDP's position being even remotely comparable to that of the PC's when Mackay was at the helm.

The positions per-se may not be comparable, but the quotes are.

[mentalfloss]

Why do we have to be forced into two options? I like having three viable parties to choose from.

Edited March 29, 2012 by mentalfloss

[WWWTT]

Ya think he'll have any move to a merge, that was my point after all.

This would be immpossible for him to do!

There are to many members and MPs that are dead set against this!

I am sure if he ever thought of this in the past he would have quikly buried the idea after testing the waters.

Not only that the only people talking bout merger is power hungry liberals

WWWTT

[madmax]

Ya think he'll have any move to a merge, that was my point after all.

no

[Bryan]

He can fight it. He just cant defeat it or the government. He'll take it to the media most likely. Or start making ads. He's already said some are in the works.

He's the opposition leader. Its his job to oppose and attack.

As long as he's attacking on substance, I see no issue with it. It's the NDP's history of just making things up that the Conservatives never did or said that I take issue with. Mulcair's already starting with his denouncements of details of the budget that he has not even seen yet.

[Tilter]

I dont see a problem with either of them changing their political stripes. Most politically engaged people do it at some point. How many people here have voted for more than one party in their lifetime? I've voted for two so far. Harper was once a young Liberal, then went PC, then Reform. Now he has his own party.

People change.

One problem I have with the turncoat idea is that when EITHER party was in politics earlier they were running on the supposed idea that they were not attuned to the other party's ideals. A person can change their minds but how can you change your ideals? I suppose that you would say Rae has changed--- but where would he have purchased the integrity and also the fiscal know how to go from the worst premier of any Canadian province to the admired & wise leader of a totally different idealism.

Politicians are all prostitutes---- they go for the dough--- or whatever anyone offers.

[Guest Peeves]

turn·coat

noun \-ˌkōt\

Definition of TURNCOAT

: one who switches to an opposing side or party; specifically.

Apparently he left the Charest Libs when given a demotion. "During a Cabinet shuffle, Charest offered Mulcair the position of Minister of Government Services."

Then he 'turned' to the NDP.

"On April 20, 2007, Mulcair confirmed that he would be running for the New Democratic Party (NDP) in the next federal election.[18][19] His presence in the front row during a speech in Montreal by NDP Leader Jack Layton in March 2007 had already led to speculations to that effect.[20] He had previously given a speech at the Federal NDP Convention in Quebec City in September 2006.

Mulcair's maternal great-great-grandfather was former Quebec Premier Honoré Mercier, to whom he referred when he announced his return to politics in 2007: "My great grandfather [sic] was Honoré Mercier, so what else could you expect from me." [21] Mulcair identified former Quebec Liberal Party leader Claude Ryan as his political mentor.[22]"

He certainly has the credentials to make things interesting, but, as an NDP leader he will never see the office of Prime Minister except from the Opposition bench.

[Topaz]

If you think those two are turncoats than what is Harper? He started out as a Liberals, then change to a Progressive Conservative , then on to the Reformer, to Alliance to Conservative!!!!! So that makes Harper belonging to 4-5 parties.

[eyeball]

Politicians are all prostitutes---- they go for the dough--- or whatever anyone offers.

So, are voters the John's or the pimps in this context?

[Smallc]

then on to the Reformer, to Alliance to Conservative!!!!!

[Guest Peeves]

So, are voters the John's or the pimps in this context?

Choose A) hood·wink (hdwngk)

tr.v. hood·winked, hood·wink·ing, hood·winks

1. To take in by deceptive means; deceive. See Synonyms at deceive.

or

B)bam·boo·zledbam·boo·zling

Definition of BAMBOOZLE

transitive verb

1

: to deceive by underhanded methods : dupe, hoodwink

Sometimes as now by the McGuinty regime's blunders with our taxes, I simply feel robbed.

C) robbedrob·bing

Definition of ROB

transitive verb

1

a (1) : to take something away from by force : steal from (2) : to take personal property from by violence or threat b (1) : to remove valuables without right from (a place) (2) : to take the contents of (a receptacle) c : to take away as loot : steal <rob jewelry>

2

a : to deprive of something due, expected, or desired b : to withhold unjustly or injuriously